carlisle pier shortlist
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It is certainly the best harbour of its type I’ve ever seen. Credit must go to the Harbour redevelopment board for the project.
I think that a quality landmark building is an absolute must for Dunlaoirghe. Something to give a leisure bias back to the harbour. Because as it stands it is the Ferry terminal that dominates.
Fair play regardless of which design is selected I am sure that atleast three of the four will win many admirers.
Dunlaoirghe is the real winner
I can see a connection with the town in the Hennegen Peng and I suppose the Scott Tallon Walker scheme. In proportion and mass and segmentation.
Oh, I’m not saying that it has to mirror the town but it should suggest to you that it is in someway intellectually or physically connected. The town, landscape, seascape, landform should act as stimulus. It is unique.
Sorry lads, but im my view it reduces the standing, quality and rigour of creating a landmark building for a particular place if it could be replicated in any number of locations.
For what it is worth, here is what the Council set out as being the building they are looking for on the Carlisle Pier.
“Due to the unique importance of the location of the disused Carlisle Pier, it is an objective of the Council, that the redevelopment of this site will result in an exceptional landmark building of international architectural quality that regenerates and enlivens the waterfront. The landmark building must incorporate uses that will bring significant cultural, social,
recreational and economic benefits to the Nation and to Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown. The landmark building must include a major public cultural attraction of National importance. The landmark building must provide for significant public accessibility and permeability, with walkways, viewing areas and public spaces throughout. The landmark building should integrate with the immediate built environment and should provide improved accessibility between the development and Dun Laoghaire town centre. The architectural character of the landmark building should be such that the image it portrays would be a reflection of its use and unique maritime setting and become a symbol of both the Nation and Dun Laoghaire.”i guess from the little i’ve seen i am attracted to the som and the hennigan-peng because they are the most permiable, all the buildings include public access and public use, but only these two have outdoor open access along the pier.
It should be remembered that the process also included for a development at zero cost to the authority. The cost of redeveloping the pier (significant cost for repair alone) means that all of the schemes are over wrought.
As for the poll, can we have a “none of the above” option?
Was there any other entry that you feel should have been included in the shortlist?
I’ve actually had to close the poll – over 40 of HP votes come from the same IP – several every few minutes, obv someone is bending the vote….
i think that maybe my office…someone else sent around an internal email saying to vote so everyone logged on at the same time
aye… anyway some more pictures of the HP submission
http://www.irish-architecture.com/unbuilt_ireland/dublin/carlisle_pier/hp/index.html
I think they give an unrealistic view of the finished product as they are all effectively aerial shots. It may just look like an ordinary flat faced office block from the ground level!!
All of the submissions are disappointing. The brief is very open and i am concerned that this is the best that can be come with.
The STW proposal is really boring, and is all the more so as Michael Scotts own house an interesting peice of 1950s is across the bay. Not much of an epitaph. The HP scheme has real merit but does not understand the site. From the top down it looks great, but it is slab like from both side and as such will look huge and dominating so it’s a right off. The SOM design is again a large unbroken slab albeit pointy at one end. The DL proposal is the best but again lacks real vision, and is quite gimmicky.
I have read all the conversations about Dun Laoghaire, and for any of you that know it. It was a hole up until recently, and now it is expressing the confidence in itself to become perhaps a great centre for architectural and urban heritage in Ireland. So roll on imaginative and good architecture.
The one comment i would make is that Dun Laoghaire is a town dominated by spires, and hence it’s skyscape is really relevant. I would have like to have seen a building that had greater points of height. I hardly dare say it but why not something like sails aka Utzon Sydney Opera house but brought up to date.
I think that the area just outside the entrance to the Stena terminal always seems very empty and unused. Nobody seems to use the seating area.
I also think that the town seems very devoid of life at night. It reminds me of the IFSC once the office workers have left!Just a note about the visuals contained on the site – I think Scott Tallon Walker is best because it looks more realistic. Not that I’m an actual fan of the building they’ve come up with – but the vosual is more grounded in reality than the others.
The others are very cartoony and I don’t think provide a goob visual basis with which to judge them.
That revised Heneghen.peng image is stunning. Why did they submit the other rendering it bears no relation to the latest.
Liebskind’s looks very user freindly if not a little gimmacky in the second rendering. I am dissapointed by the aditional angles supplied by SOM as they don’t clarify many of the questions raised in the first rendering. It is still a great design although HP has closed the gap a lot. STW still in the blocks I’m afraid for me.
Originally posted by Diaspora
Dunlaoirghe is the real winnerHaving lived in the Borough for the last twenty odd years, it still gets under my skin when people refer incorrectly to Dún Laoghaire. I commend you Diaspora for coming up with a version combing Bearlachas and bad spelling that I have not seen before.
Reminds me a couple of foreigners coming off the boat mystified at the road signage. “How the fuck did the get Done Leary out of that?”
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