carlisle pier shortlist
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…that almost all the proposals are a sort of alike. They are ship shapes. Is that a coincidence, or it’s just request.
Alan, on closer inspection I think you have a point. The tower is in the completely wrong place and is completely out of scale. I am going to reserve my final judgement, however, until I see the models and get more information on Friday.
Good idea to wait, Phil. I think also that the Hennigen.Peng scheme must surely be better when you see the full presentation.
Though the Scott Tallon Walker proposals look dull and insensitive to the location, don’t know how that can improve by seeing the total presentation, myself.
Ship shapes, eh? for a pier? and a shark? who’d have thought it?
when will the presentation be published?
The models are going on display in the Ferry Terminal in Dun Laoghaire on Friday I think.
oh my god…
just saw the images…
the SOM design… well, did i miss something, but when did they start copying libeskind? maybe after they lost the WTC..
as for libeskinds It is REPULSIVE. nuff said
STW, never thought i’d say this, but from the renderings it’s my favourite. if it was executed well then it could be beatiful, however i have no faith in STW to execute it well.
H.penn, from the baby infants rendering its hard to say whats going on
to be fair, i’m only judging from one image per project, but all signs point to either
a) mediocrity
b) a ‘daring, new design statement’ which is in fact only a nod to design trends that were fashionable 10 years agoshame
I really like the SOM submission and I too would like to see it clarified both in relation to what the outer cladding is and it’s relationship with the town hall.
I would hope that the models can give a better feel than a picture from one angle.
But I think both SOM and Liebskinds designs are great and would if they provided access be a very welcome addition both as a recreational amenity and to the built environment.
Libeskind’s and SOM’s proposals could be anywhere, Diaspora. Indeed Skidmore’s walk on roof is almost ten years old and a rip off of Piano’s copper fronted science centre in Amsterdam.
Cliche, cliche cliche.
Henegan. Peng are the team, despite the poor graphics……… unless of course Ireland and Scotland are more alike than I first thought and you would rather gift it to a celebrity or an international architect third team than the “local” architects.
Be brave……. tell the other two to fuck off and Scott Tallon Walker, hard luck.
Looking at Hennigan Peng again it does have a certain quality and I like the materials used on the usable floors.
But the green pediment puts me off it completely, I also don’t like the way it appears to be divided into 16 sections.
It is also unclear if the green base is usable or not.
I don’t mean to be over critical as it is good and a lot better than most of the other entries I am sure.
I like the SOM & Liebskind submisions be they influenced by a high quality building in Amsterdam or not.
Bus, can we set up a vote for this?
i for one would support the Heneghan Peng proposal. anyone with me?>
I can see a connection with the context and the town in Hennegan. Peng that I certainly cannot see in either Libeskind’s or Skidmore’s.
I think there is a story attached to the green base and that interests me, Diaspora.
hennigan_peng: the image does look very childish but then again who cares at the end og the day. it’s the design that matters. not too sure about the block formats. a close up might reveal something smart.
s/t/w: i actually like this. i know they do this block format a lot but if behind the glass shell they did something interesting then it would be very good. has potential.
libesking: it does look like the shark alan was talking about. it’s a very busy building. but i like. internally and how the spaces work that will be the judge. it may start a revolution in dun laoghoire.
skidmore: trying to hard to be gehry without the understanding. if the front of the ship was just a structure that the building was placed behind then we may be talking. has some potential but i don’t think should win it.(ok i meant gehry like not like his work itself)
just my little opinion…agree/disagree at will!
All the entries need further clarification, I think it is a real pity that the SOM proposal didn’t link their drawings better.
I am not sure that Dunlaoire has a very rigid context. It could probably accomodate any one of those designs.
The real question is which one best suited?
It makes a refreshing change having the option to discuss this standard of project
I am not sure if that link with the town which is in the Henegen Peng design is realistic or not. It looks a little impossible, but again I am going to have to wait to see the models on Friday.
Yeah I support you sw101
In my view, if Skidmore’s or Libeskind did a pier proposal for Oban, or Margate or Melbourne or Baltimore or Wigan it would look like this.
Got to mean something more to the town. I think
Originally posted by alan d
Got to mean something more to the town. I thinkI agree with you Alan
it’s true it probably fits anywhere in the world. it doesn’t take from the design though. and i dunno if it needs to reflect to the town though. sometimes it’s best to start again. they want a landmark so why link it? i’m not saying that it has to be different just putting across that something completely different might be the order of the day. a building like this may open people’s minds to change/difference. and it’s true they need to show more than the images before we can really take each building seriously.
Do any of the proposals relate to the existing setting?
I thought the idea was to create a landmark building that would attract attention and create a new focal point.
I don’t know any of the other towns listed but I would very much doubt that any of them would have a harbour the size of DunLaoirghe.
By reason of the harbour scale I think that both designs would work well regardless of where the buildings were designed.
yeah sw101, i think i may have to go with libeskind for the time being. hopefully stw will be able to create some strange shapes in their glass box but i think that is unrealistic unfortunately.
Diaspora, I think Dun Laoghaire is one of the largest artificial harbours in Europe. It was at one stage anyway, not too sure anymore
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