Cafe Bars the new architectural challenge
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Rory W, I agree – bars should be places for everyone: to drink, to eat something, to interact with other people in a spirit of conviviality and in a good-natured manner; witout aggression or the fear of violence caused by binge drinking.
Planning regulations have a part to play here – for example, the development of superpubs should be carefully controlled.DublinLimerick wrote:Rory W, I agree – bars should be places for everyone: to drink, to eat something, to interact with other people in a spirit of conviviality and in a good-natured manner]I’d go beyond that and ban any new drinking barns altogether
BTW – didn’t see one bomber-jacked thug (sometimes called a ‘bouncer’) at any of the cafe bars in Brussels
I thought this was an original idea but
http://www.justice.ie/80256E010039C5AF/vWeb/fl … Report.pdf would indicate otherwiseFor an example of a small cafe-bar operating within the current licensing laws, try CYO on Camden Street. It seats about 20 and sells wines and bottled beers and even weiss beer on draft along with tapas style food. You can fill the whole place for an evening with a small circle of friends.
I totally agree small intimate venues that have a good track record in food should be given the opportunity to diversify into selling a beer or wine or even cocktail with food. I do think that these conversions should still require planning permission to assess whether or not they are suitable given the number of smokers still amongst us.
@RTE Interactive wrote:
Sweden to introduce smoking ban
31 May 2005 09:45
Sweden is to introduce a ban on smoking in all bars and restaurants at midnight tonight.It will join countries including Ireland and Norway which have already introduced the measure.
The ban has been largely welcomed in Sweden where a recent poll showed that 85% were in favour of ending smoking in restaurants and 77% support a ban in bars and clubs.
Two-thirds of smokers questioned for the poll earlier this month said they agreed with the ban.
So we now have a gang of three in a European context, thats Stockholm off the list for potential a City Break 😀
@RTE Interactive wrote:
FG plans Dáil motion over café bar licences
12 June 2005 19:13
Fine Gael is planning to expose possible divisions in the Government later this week by moving a Dáil motion calling for the scrapping of plans to introduce café bar licences.The Private Members’ motion will be debated in the Dáil on Tuesday and Wednesday before it is voted upon.
The Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, is due to address the Fianna Fáil parliamentary party on the proposals on Tuesday.
40 members of Fianna Fáil are reported to have signed a petition calling for the plan to be dropped.
Fine Gael has called on Government TDs who are unhappy about it to support their motion.
I think it is good that this bill is being brought forward, the only pity is that the research commissioned by the Department of Justice calling for cafe bars has been sitting in Stephens Green for two years now. The petition is just typical of this administration.
@RTE Interactive wrote:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0613/alcohol.html
Tánaiste denies tensions over café-bar plans
13 June 2005 11:45
The Tánaiste has denied there are tensions in the Cabinet over proposals to create cafe bars, and she has rejected suggestions that the Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, had climbed down over the issue.Ms Harney told reporters the important thing was to have greater competition and liberalisation.
She was asked about comments on Morning Ireland by Senator Tom Morrissey, who said Fianna Fáil had no values.
Ms Harney said this was not her view and that she believed the next election was still two years away.
The question is will cafe bars actually be allowed to become the new architectural challenge?
Cafe Bars is a load of nonsense – really it means ‘mini-pubs’ – and we have quite a lot of pubs already thanks very much – there are over 2000 in Dublin at the moment – so if the question is choice and competition, it is here already, however, I doubt you would ever get price competition if already there is none with 2000 bars…
Its populist nonsense that has already been spouted by the PDs – esp in relation to Dublin Airport – and we know the fine mess that has been made of that! Dont forget, FF, the publican party, would never allow the PDs get such a move passed them…
I’m not so sure that this is coming out of the competition agenda I would be more of the opinion that this motivated more by finding solutions to the ‘primetime girl’ drinking culture. It was after all the report from the Liquor Licencing Commission that called for this as opposed to the competition authority.
@RTE Interactive wrote:
Restaurant licences to be deregulated
13 June 2005 15:01
The Minister for Justice has said he has decided to deregulate and liberalise the restaurant business instead of pressing ahead with his proposal to introduce café-bars.On RTÉ’s News at One programme, Michael McDowell said the compromise proposal for making alcohol and food available together in café-bars would have had to overcome so many difficulties, so he had decided to go the more radical route.
The Taoiseach has denied that the scrapping of Mr McDowell’s café-bar proposal was a ‘slap down’ for the PDs.
Bertie Ahern said that in a democracy different viewpoints were considered before a decision was made and that is what had happened in this case.
Asked if this Government would last until 2007, Mr Ahern said he had spent five years in the previous Dáil saying the Government would last and he hoped that he would not have to do the same again.
Harney denies Cabinet fiction
The Tánaiste, Mary Harney, earlier denied there were tensions in the Cabinet over proposals to create café-bars.
She rejected suggestions that Mr McDowell had climbed down over the issue. Ms Harney told reporters the important thing was to have greater competition and liberalisation.
She was asked about comments on RTÉ’s Morning Ireland programme by PD Senator Tom Morrissey, who said Fianna Fáil had no values.
Ms Harney said this was not her view and that she believed the next election was still two years away.
No new architectural challenge so I guess its back to designing over-priced restaurants
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