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  • #744655
    teak
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    So, are you :

    A. Demonstrating that the instinct towards grasping gombeenry is inherently stronger in brickies’ union officials than their love of good workmanship .

    B. Implicitly complimenting the Bricklayers Guild on its acumen, while conveying to us a template for profitable purchase engagements with the Corpo in similar situations .

    C. Impugning the professional ethics of lawyers for both the Guild and the Corpo who may have been complicit in agreeing a settlement far in excess of the true compensation on the basis of a visibly humbug claim .

    D. Asserting a basis for successful post facto litigation against the Guild in view of its failure to fulfil the intentions implied in its compensation deal with the Corpo .

    E. Bewailing yet another past transgression of an Irish local authority in relation to property sale or purchase .

    If E. is the correct answer, then why not discuss instead the much more entertaining story of the Phoenix Park Wall contract ? :thumbup:

    #744656
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    It actually went to court in the 1990s, the corporation won eventually
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-24942956.html

    This is it in legal-speak
    http://www.ucc.ie/law/restitution/archive/irelcases/brick.htm

    #744657
    gunter
    Participant

    @teak wrote:

    So, are you :

    A. Demonstrating that the instinct towards grasping gombeenry is inherently stronger in brickies’ union officials than their love of good workmanship .

    B. Implicitly complimenting the Bricklayers Guild on its acumen, while conveying to us a template for profitable purchase engagements with the Corpo in similar situations .

    C. Impugning the professional ethics of lawyers for both the Guild and the Corpo who may have been complicit in agreeing a settlement far in excess of the true compensation on the basis of a visibly humbug claim .

    D. Asserting a basis for successful post facto litigation against the Guild in view of its failure to fulfil the intentions implied in its compensation deal with the Corpo .

    E. Bewailing yet another past transgression of an Irish local authority in relation to property sale or purchase .

    If E. is the correct answer, then why not discuss instead the much more entertaining story of the Phoenix Park Wall contract ? :thumbup:

    All of the above, I think is the only conclusion we can draw. . . . What’s the story with the Phoenix Park Wall?

    I don’t suppose anybody knows where the granite from the facade of the Brick and Stone Layer’s Hall might have ended up, or is that like looking for the fees you paid a solicitor thirty years ago.

    With the benefit of hindsight, there may have been clues to an inclination within the Brick and Stone Layers Guild towards grasping gombeenery long before the 1980s. At some point late in the nineteenth century, the venerable guild appear to have purchased the crisply detailed ‘Billy’ next door at no. 50 Cuffe Street and summarily demolished it just to give themselves another six foot of building width and a second door.


    this image was lifted from McCullough’s: Dublin, an Urban History.


    Paul’s image of the expanded Hall [from the Cuffe Street thread] shortly before demolition


    an aerial view from about the same time showing the devastation to the streetscape caused by all the Corporation setbacks, with the Hall [and its extension] still hanging in there, just


    a grainy view of the expanded Brick and Stone Layer’s Hall with nos. 47 and 48 Cuffe Street then still standing. No. 47 displaying the entrance door and window disposition of a [twin] Billy . . . . to those of us who believe in such things

    Apparently Meredith’s Pawn Shop, at no. 48, was a legendary establishment in the Dublin of the 1940s and 50s and held a special place in peoples’ affections as the only pawn shop in the city that would take false teeth.

    aagh, the good old days

    #744658
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    The aerial shot is interesting – the hall was quite long. The extension to the right did not have the same design quality as the original bank front.

    That image is in McCullough’s book? Must dig it out again and look.

    #744659
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Interesting thread here….especially the Raider of the Lost Ark store house. Turns out Dublin Civic Trust have the artefacts from the Irish House Pub, while much of the interior was kept by the pub’s owners. There appears to be a storage yard in Cherrywood that holds many items f interest from around the city. DCC must have a yard…eg where have they stored the 3 Fates statues that used to sit in the small park beside City Hall.

    #744660
    teak
    Participant

    All of the above, I think is the only conclusion we can draw. . . . What’s the story with the Phoenix Park Wall?

    Yerra, I heard it on the Sunday morning Miscellany programme years ago.

    Apparently, a gombeen builder by the name of William Dodson got the contract to wall in the newly designated park grounds.
    He also got the task of building the Anna Livia Bridge at Chapelizod.
    Anyhow, the bould Bill subcontracted the bulk of the wall to numerous less well-connected masons at a fraction of the per length rate that he’d agreed for himself.
    Result, the wall falls down at many points and a Commission of Inquiry is held into the whole thing.
    Curiously, the work done on the Anna Livia seems to have been well approved by the Commission. When the new cantilevered walkways were added in recent years, they found they could build walkway supporting piers on the foundations of the breakwaters up- and down-stream of the arches.
    A sort of 17th century instance of cross-subsidising the more interesting part of the public project by skimping on the routine part.

    #744661
    GrahamH
    Participant

    The Dodson case is notorious alright – quite the Priory Hall of its day, though even then still likely to be more fireproof.

    I hadn’t seen the extended version of the Bricklayer’s Hall before – you couldn’t make this stuff up.

    At least it’s somewhat comforting that standards started to slip a long time before now. A once marvellously stocial, austere mausoleum-like facade confidently slotted into the streetscape, completely butchered by a cack-handed, lop-sided add-on by Bob the Builder’s great-grandfather. The new rustication running straight into the original serene ashlar of the upper floor is bad enough, but to course it as randomly as ashlar just takes the biscuit. And what was the original cornice not getting right to warrant such a clunky deviation? As for the mini-Wyatt window alongside the original – talk about asking for a visual fisty-cuffs, never mind the random toothy gawk of a cornice tacked above as icing on the cake. Who are these guys, and where can I subcribe to their newsletter? The poor aul balustrade got a whack too. Probably recycled for the new decking out the back.

    The original building is very much in the style of Frederick Darley, though the balustrade is a bit much for his chaste manner. Architect Isaac Farrell is another name of this era that springs to mind. I imagine it was originally built with a large, square top-lit hall on the first floor, before the building was extended later in the nineteenth century with a new access door to the side and a long narrow passage leading down to a vast new hall added on the back as suggested by the aerial view.

    #744662
    gunter
    Participant

    I was thinking William Farrell, the architect of Kilmainham Court House, as a possible candidate.

    The broad entrance door composition to the brick Layer’s Hall is a bit like his Grand Jury entrance to the Kilmainham building, which I think was a competition winner in 1817. The extraordinary elongated fanlight here is something of a design highlight in Farrell’s career, as far as I can tell, but the Brick Layer’s Hall would be another, if it his.


    Grand Jury entrance to Kilmainham Court House

    #744663
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Ah I think you have it. I was looking at it only at the weekend but couldn’t place the fecker. The tripartite window above the pictured doorcase shares a similar relationship on Bricklayer’s Hall. Likewise with the cornice and frieze at parapet level.

    #744664
    gunter
    Participant

    I was going through a file of newspaper cuttings from the 1970s . . . as you do, and I came across this snippet from a wonderfully beligerant article entitled; Squandered Dublin – 2, by Elgy Gillespie, Irish Times, 28 May 1976:

    Also found my, half page, cutting of the Liberties Moterway shocker from the Irish Times of 26 June 1973, which was a bit damp and is currently undergoing conservation on the radiator.

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