Boland’s Mill
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@burge_eye wrote:
the agent is RPS, anyone know who the developer is?
Sean Kelly’s Benton Property Holdings, he’s formerly of Ballymore and developer of Adelaide Square apartments in city centre and the Capel Building on capel st where gary rhodes is opening
In that case who are Versus? On the sign which I read it said ‘Versus Limited, Adelaide Chambers, Peter Street, Dublin 8 intend to apply for permission for development at the site known as Bolands Mills…” and so on as in the above excerpt from the online information. Are they just agents acting on behalf of the developer? I got the impression that this was the developer from the various signs around the buildings (up until this point I had thought it was owned by Treasury Holdings)
@phil wrote:
In that case who are Versus? On the sign which I read it said ‘Versus Limited, Adelaide Chambers, Peter Street, Dublin 8 intend to apply for permission for development at the site known as Bolands Mills…” and so on as in the above excerpt from the online information. Are they just agents acting on behalf of the developer? I got the impression that this was the developer from the various signs around the buildings (up until this point I had thought it was owned by Treasury Holdings)
Versus is still Benton Property. Basically, a lot of developers use subsidiary companies/special purpose vehicles to apply for each individual development it undertakes. It means that if anything goes wrong and the project went south, their other assets would not be affected. So Treasury Holdings for example never applies for anything in its own name, Castlethorn rarely does, the Kellys use several different companies, Liam Carroll owns a number of companies etc. However, if you saw promotional material for each of the developments it would state that it was being developed by Treasury, Castlethorn etc. Benton is just doing the same thing.
Nothing’s changed since the ’60s so 😉
A list of Protected Structures in the complex:
Grand Canal Dock, Dublin 4:
a) Boland’s warehouse/mill at lifting bridge, Ringsend Road: six-storey stone warehouse
b) Boland’s warehouse/mill to south and east of concrete silos fronting quay: six-storey, stone warehouse
c) Two-storey brick gables of warehouses fronting at (b) above, i.e. Boland’s Ltd: warehouse
d) Four-storey brick warehouses/mill parallel to quayside to rere of 38-40 Barrow Street 3307
e) Five-storey warehouse/mill gable end to quay, north of (d) above
f) Three-storey warehouse with oriel window adjoining north side of (d) aboveIt seems the two houses are also protected:
Barrow Street, Dublin 4:No 33 House/offices including railings and steps
No 34 House/offices including railings and steps@jdivision wrote:
Versus is still Benton Property. Basically, a lot of developers use subsidiary companies/special purpose vehicles to apply for each individual development it undertakes. It means that if anything goes wrong and the project went south, their other assets would not be affected. So Treasury Holdings for example never applies for anything in its own name, Castlethorn rarely does, the Kellys use several different companies, Liam Carroll owns a number of companies etc. However, if you saw promotional material for each of the developments it would state that it was being developed by Treasury, Castlethorn etc. Benton is just doing the same thing.
Ah I see, thanks for that jdivision.
I have no idea what the composition of the plan is – just saw the image in the book. Although from its size offices and apartments surely. The protected structures are untouched with a large “gherkin-esque” blob of glass inserted between.
Suppose it’s not that bad (well better than heuston gate or point village)I live near here, and several taxi drivers and pub bores have complained to me that a 1916 rising site will be destoyed to build apartments. Telling them that DeValera’s crew occupied a building in Boland’s flour mills on Grand Canal Street, and that the concrete towers overloking the docks are obviously no more than fifty years old, doesn’t tend to register.
What sort of scale is the proposal, does anyone know? Given the height of the silos, the nearby Millennium Tower and Treasury’s approved 16 and 18 storey buildings nearby, it is presumably big? Treasury withdrew its application for a 32 storey building next door a few months ago.
@d_d_dallas wrote:
I have no idea what the composition of the plan is – just saw the image in the book. Although from its size offices and apartments surely. The protected structures are untouched with a large “gherkin-esque” blob of glass inserted between.
Suppose it’s not that bad (well better than heuston gate or point village)is there any link to this image? very interested in this sire. thanks
Very interested in this as I work right beside it, and those concrete slabs are an eyesore! Can’t wait for them to be either demolished or regenerated into a mean, clean, glass gherkinesque structure..
I’m sure that if someone came up with a scheme as attractive as the Gherkin that no-one would object; In relation to the concrete silos you could be looking at an updated version of this which in environmental terms would represent a very sustainable project and set a very good environmental precedent for the rest of the scheme.
Yeah I always liked the view from the Grand Canal onto the Treasury Building and Grand Canal Plaza, though a walk down Barrow St. and the top of Pearse St. disappoints as it always seem so far from completion.
@Andrew Duffy wrote:
I live near here, and several taxi drivers and pub bores have complained to me that a 1916 rising site will be destoyed to build apartments. Telling them that DeValera’s crew occupied a building in Boland’s flour mills on Grand Canal Street, and that the concrete towers overloking the docks are obviously no more than fifty years old, doesn’t tend to register.
Does anyone know how old the silos are? I would say they are older than 50 years, but definitely younger then 1916 (As alluded to by Andrew above). Maybe 1930s/40s? However, these sorts of silos have been known to date from the turn of the 20th century. Also, from Graham’s post it would appear that these are not actually on the list of protected structures. I must admit that I thought these were protected up until now. I suppose I just took it for granted.
So did I – most surprised not to find any reference to them on the Record. Even under the guise of a surrounding street name, still nothing.
Given the steel windows it probably dates from 1920 to 1950, but sure we knew that anyway 🙂
Indeed they could be iron, completely throwing things off.
The late 40s seems about right,It must have been the tallest building ever built in Ireland when constructed surely?
(spires and chimneys aside).
When did it close does anyone know, and who owned it since?It was operational at least as late as Q4 1999 operated as Bolands Mills sold as a property development opportunity by parent group IAWS was reported in the IT at the time can’t remember who bought it at the time roughly 2000 / 2001
There’s a similar building on the north docks in Waterford City that was built around 1920, or slightly before- concrete frame, infill panels. A few years ago the city Conservation Officer was trying to get it included on the city RPS as it was/is one of the oldest structures in the whole country to use concrete in its construction, but I believe he had an uphill battle (Sisyphian?) with the Councillors. If you thought it was a battle to get Councillors to appreciate 19th century architecture, imagine how difficult it is to convince them of the heritage merit (Scientific and Technical, to name just two categories of interest) of a concrete silo. Don’t know what the outcome was…
And then there’s the R&H Hall building in the docks in Cork City. Not sure if that one’s a PS either, though. Something tells me it might be, but I haven’t time to check just now.
Anyone know the height of this Dublin one? Even a ballpark figure?
It seems to be 12 storeys, however each is relatively low at around 2.5 metres/9 feet, bringing the building up to a height of 30m or around 105 feet. Plus a bit more probably.
It seems to be about the same height as the Millenium Tower across the road. Sean Rothery refers to the waterford granery in Ireland and The New Architecture as being from 1905. It would appear to still be there, but surrounded by some later silos:
http://www.opw.ie/waterfordquays/images/site_mag/img0051_mag.jpg
I think the Bolands one most resembles the Guinness silo. Although the Guinness one is white, there would appear to be strong similarities in their form.
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