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  • #748213
    Anonymous
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    I am very happy with the decision of An Bord Pleanala re 10-12 Westmoreland St

    http://www.pleanala.ie/bewleysa.html

    I think that this interior is best served in its present use and it was a well considered decision to protect it from potentially very drunk people, beer I can manage but 2 cosmopolitans later I’m anyones. I also have a vague recollection of a Welsh rugby supporter who after Wales defeated Ireland in Landsdown Road in early 1984 drank himself silly, then attempted to imitate Tarzan in the Shelboune Bar destroying a very impressive chandalier in the process.

    Dermott Kelly’s (senior) inspectors is probably the best researched planning document I have ever read and for anyone with an interest in Heritage its contents should be closely examined.

    The Board direction is extremely concise and to the point and its clarity is refreshing.

    I am feeling extremely vindicated at this time, we got a result!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #748214
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Phew! What a comprehensive report! 😮

    A great outcome indeed – particularly I find the decision regarding the proposed conversion to seperate retail use on Westmoreland St. Perhaps one could expect the rejection of the Fleet Room conversion proposal, but the Westmoreland St retail outlet concept looked borderline, as turned out in the differing professional opinions stated in the planning process.
    Thankfully the proposal was rejected:

    “It is not accepted as stated in the Planning Report that the proposed retail use onto Westmoreland Street should be supported as “the original intended use of the buildings at ground floor level”, by reason that the long established Bewley’s Oriental Café use on Westmoreland Street is of significant cultural and historic and social interest, and as Bewley’s Café, as stated in the first party submissions, included a retail element to the Café at the Westmoreland Street frontage. The statement in the Planning Report that “With regard to the objections to the loss of a café in the area, the rear part of the site is proposed to be retained in such a use”, does not in my opinion acknowledge the importance of the long established access to the Fleet Room, Middle Room and Garden Room interiors of Bewley’s Café directly off the major thoroughfare Westmoreland Street which the proposed development would remove by blocking access through the proposed retail unit, and from a business viewpoint it is considered that the ‘footfall’ a Price’s Lane would not match that on Westmoreland Street.

    …it is of paramount importance that Bewley’s Café remains as a café with access from Westmoreland Street and also noting that the Scheme for the designated Area of Special Planning Control referred to ‘the streets’ role as the (principle) thoroughfare of the city” which Westmoreland Street undoubtedly is in association with O’Connell Street…”

    The other proposal to amend the Dev Plan to include an acknowledgement of the importance of certain building uses is also welcome.

    #748215
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The proposal has from a well informed source been in operation in Paris and New York for 75 years where it is considered to be a very valuable tool in protecting important cultural establishments. It is worth noting that the Empire State Building was built on the site of the former Waldorf- Astoria hotel which was a terrible loss to the cultural fabric of New York. I can’t see the designation being used on a very large scale but certainly if it were in place important cultural institutions such as the ‘Olympia’ ‘Gaiety’ ‘Shelbourne’ ‘Wynnes’ ‘Gresham’ and a number of the better Victorian pubs would be secured in the design for which the buildings were designed for.

    #748216
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Does anyone know if the “SaveBewleys.com” website is still in use or being maintained. I looked at the petition on the site today, and well, it was pretty crazy. Best have a look yourselves. As well as that no referance is made to the “cocktail bar” proposal being turned down for Westmoreland St. nor is the sale of the contense of that cafe mentioned.

    #748217
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @crestfield wrote:

    Does anyone know if the “SaveBewleys.com” website is still in use or being maintained.

    The savebewleys campaign is suspended and will only re-form should any planning application be made on either of the two premises to the best of my knoweledge. The web site was designed and hosted by desire media who were very professional in delivering a top spec website on a very short timeframe. In addition to delivery the website desire media also removed a lot of generically generated and or targetted spam which was extremely offensive at times and was placed onto the online petition at very regular and frequent occaisions, no payment was ever sought for these additional services.

    The website has not been updated since May of this year for unknown reasons but as a former committee member I wish to thank everyone who supported us. I further wish to say that neither Bewleys would have survived as a functioning cafe if the outgoing Lord Mayor of Dublin Ald Michael Connaghan had not put his political reputation on the line.

    Once he did put his reputataion and his considerable energy into the campaign a broad coalition of experienced conservationists and enthusiastic interested parties met on average twice a week for a 7 month period, the technical assistance of An Taisce was crucial to the decision reached by An Bord Pleanala as was senior inspector Dermot Kelly’s flawless planners report.

    The website will I expect be taken down once consent is received from the majority of the former committee; it is worth noting that this group may potentially re-activate should the need arise.

    Besides the securing of both cafes the new protections afforded to the use relating to buildings with a particular social importance that derive much if not most of their quality from providing that use was the biggest victory.

    Thanks to Cllr Oisin Quinn for drafting this motion and to the entire elected group of councillors for allowing it to be adopted without dissent or ammendment you have all served Dublin well.

    #748218
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Emer Burton wrote:

    Protection of use of listed buildings enshrined in Dublin City Development
    Plan

    Dublin City Council tonight made an important change to the Dublin City
    Development Plan to respond to heritage questions thrown up by the closure
    of Bewley’s cafes.

    As a result of the motion proposed by Councillor Oisin Quinn (Labour) and
    seconded by former Lord Mayor Councillor Michael Conaghan, the Development
    Plan now protects a building not just for it’s physical structure but also
    “where the use is considered to be an intrinsic aspect of the special
    social, cultural/artistic interest of those premises”.

    Councillor Michael Conaghan commended the tireless work of the Save Bewley’s
    Cafes Campaign in seeking solutions to save the cafes in Grafton and
    Westmoreland Streets and in particular its appeal victory at An Bord
    Pleanala which prevented the café in Westmoreland Street from being
    converted into a hotel lobby to serve the Temple Bar public.

    The change was supported by An Taisce and was welcomed by the City Manager
    who recommended it to the City Council as a new policy which “will have a
    positive effect on the protection of the city’s heritage”.

    Minister for the Environment Dick Roche T.D. was criticised by Councellor
    Quinn for not introducing National Trust legislation in line with best
    practise in the rest of the EU.

    Damian Cassidy on behalf of the Save Bewley’s Cafes Campaign welcomed the
    variation to the Plan, particularly as it was passed during Heritage Week.

    For further information please contact
    Councillor Michael Conaghan 086 175 3747

    That should secure the Gresham, Olympia, Gaeity, Shelbourne, Doheny’s and ensure the survival of Bewleys into perpetuity

    #748219
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    But has Bewley’s “really” been saved. All that has been saved in reality is the use of premises. Bewley’s it ain’t.

    #748220
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It hasn’t really been Bewleys since Campbells did a hatchet job on it; it is however a good representation of a contemporary interpretation of a historical cafe. The Bewley family being innovative; funds permitting probably would not have operated the cafe all that differently.

    Worst case scenario was comparison retailing using legal interpretation of the regulations to change the space as much as they were able to do. Bottom line the City has access all areas and can sit and eat or drink whichever the desired case may be.

    #748221
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Former Bewleys Cafe, Fleet Street Hotel, Bars & Offices, Fleet Street, Westmoreland Street and Prices Lane, Temple Bar
    Dublin 2

    By Tender ON FRIDAY 26TH MAY 2006 AT 12 NOON

    Location
    The property occupies a prime trading location with extensive frontages to Westmoreland Street, Fleet Street and Price’s Lane. Located in the heart of Dublin’s City Centre and at the “Gateway” to Temple Bar, this substantial property is within easy walking distance of O’Connell Street, Trinity College, Grafton Street, and the International Financial Services Centre.

    Temple Bar, which is the “Left Bank” of Dublin, is now home to a population of over 2,500 residents, 500 businesses and over 50 cultural organisations. It boasts a huge variety and choice of restaurants, bars, cafés, hotels and shops and also includes galleries and cultural attractions. Temple Bar attracts more than 500,000 weekly visitors, most of whom use Fleet Street as their main route.

    Description
    The subject premises comprise a substantial block of property which includes period landmark buildings on Westmoreland Street, Fleet Street and Price’s Lane. The buildings occupy a total site of approximately 0.13 HA (0.32 acres). Over the years the various buildings have been integrated and now interconnect at various levels. The total gross internal floor area is approximately 5,530 sq. m (59,525 sq. ft).

    There are four main elements to the property as follows:

    Fleet Street Hotel, 19/20 Fleet Street

    Accessed from Fleet Street, this comprises 71 en suite bedrooms of three star standard over first, second, third and fourth floors with the majority of rooms having air conditioning. At present the guests use part of the Fleet Room on the ground floor for breakfasts with a mezzanine level between ground and first floor used for staff facilities.

    Former Bewley’s Café, 11/12 Westmoreland Street

    This comprises an extensive ground floor and mezzanine with excellent frontage to Westmoreland Street of approximately 12m. The accommodation is arranged in a number of areas which include the front Café, the Fleet Room, the Middle Room, the Garden Room, kitchen and service areas. These extend to approximately 950 sq m (10,225 sq ft) on the ground floor, 74 sq m (796 sq ft) on the mezzanine, with customer toilets at basement level.

    O’Sullivans Pub and The Bridge Bar, 10-12 Westmoreland Street

    These are arranged on ground floor and basement and have two separate entrances from Westmoreland Street. The Bridge Bar is located at basement level whilst O’Sullivans is a ground floor pub accessed from Westmoreland Street. There is an internal staircase which connects both levels.

    This accommodation is fully fitted out and operational and has its own customer toilets, kitchen, cellar, and storage areas.

    O’Sullivans extends to approximately 80 sq m (860 sq ft) on ground floor whilst the Bridge Bar has approximately 950 sq m (10,225 sq ft) at basement level.

    School and Offices, 10-12 Westmoreland Street

    This accommodation is occupied by the Dublin School of English under various leases and is on first, second, third and fourth floors over the Café and O’Sullivans. It has a separate access from Westmoreland Street. The net floor area extends to approximately 596 sq m (6,415 sq ft).

    Services
    We understand all mains services are available to the property.

    Title
    The property is substantially freehold however number 10 Westmoreland Street is held under a 25 year lease from 1 December 1994, at a current rent of €170,000 per annum. This rent is subject to 5 year reviews with the next review in December 2009.

    The upper floors of 10/12 Westmoreland Street are let to the Dublin School of English under various leases and are currently producing a rent of €46,000 per annum. A number of these leases have expired and it is expected the above rental income will increase once the terms of these new leases have been agreed.

    Guide excess €25m

    #748222
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Is there any news on the Bewleys tender result?

    I know it closed on May 26th and I would be grateful if anyone could post any press reports that I have missed.

    #748223
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I read in the Sindo that John Ronan has lodged papers in the Commercial Court seeking the forfeiture of the Bewleys lease. Does anyone know the grounds he is claiming?

    #748224
    alonso
    Participant

    something to do with internal works which were done outside the remit of the lease agreement
    http://www.breakingnews.ie/archives/…ive=10/01/2007

    #748225
    jdivision
    Participant

    It’s a repeat of a story that was in The Sunday Business Post

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