belfast skyline
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looks as if the Obel building is going ahead in Belfeirste
http://friendsoftheirishenvironment.net/papers/article.php?sid=8519&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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@Pepsi wrote:
Does anybody have any pictures showing Obel’s progress to date?
There ya go. And very impressive it looks too!
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@Maskhadov wrote:
its just a pity its up the north.
I agree fully. A building like that it Dublin would be nice. That height is fine by me. I heard that it is actually 29 storeys and not 26 as advertised. I am curious as to what stage it is at right now?
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Foundations set for city tower
Above-ground work on what will be Belfast’s tallest building has got under way. The £75m 28 storey Obel tower, will tower over Donegall Quay when completed in two years time. The development by Karl Properties has been described as an obelisk set in old Belfast. Social Development Minister Margaret Ritchie said the 88.31m high building “will undoubtedly become an iconic landmark for Belfast”.
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what are you people blind?
that is the most banal piece of commercial drivel this side of ohio.
when will people get over these plastic-mullioned glass behemoths dolled up with smatterings of stone clad planar language thrown around the facade. i really wonder sometimes.
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@cgcsb wrote:
The Watch Tower, the few new buildings in Grand Canal Dock and the Tara Street thing are pretty much our last chances to not be made a show of by our neighbours to the north. I hope the Dublin projects will not dissapear into obscurity like the U2 tower did.
I opened this thread thinking that it might be a relief from much of the ‘I want my city to have highrise so that we can then conclude it is a better place than another city’ mentality that presently dominates many of the Dublin threads. Unfortunately I am mistaken.
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@phil wrote:
I opened this thread thinking that it might be a relief from much of the ‘I want my city to have highrise so that we can then conclude it is a better place than another city’ mentality that presently dominates many of the Dublin threads. Unfortunately I am mistaken.
Well said!!Unfortunately if you like architecture and your from Dublin, its a disease!!People are just very frustrated at the DDA’s incompetence
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Windsor house is now the second tallest building on the island after Elysian, Cork. I notice that Belfast didn’t get as much benefit from the boom as cities in the Republic did. There’s still a large amount of surface car parks in the city centre and aside from the kremlin, Donegal street is empty and very poorly illuminated at night. Also alot of the street paving, pedestrian crossings and street lights are very 80’s in their design. Almost retro
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🙂 @cgcsb wrote:
Windsor house is now the second tallest building on the island after Elysian, Cork. I notice that Belfast didn’t get as much benefit from the boom as cities in the Republic did. There’s still a large amount of surface car parks in the city centre and aside from the kremlin, Donegal street is empty and very poorly illuminated at night. Also alot of the street paving, pedestrian crossings and street lights are very 80’s in their design. Almost retro
🙂 I think Elysian is 71m to the roof. The Spire brings it to 81:)…..can we count those???
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@cgcsb wrote:
I thought the spire was always counted, is it not?
I was always under the impression that buildings (for the purpose of tallest) were counted to roof height. Now I know the famous stories regarding the Spire on the Chrysler Building being kept secret until the last minute, so it could capture the Worlds tallest building title. On the other hand, I have seen many instances when Spires and even television towers are regarded as structures rather then buildings:)
Anyway, I am going off topic…….back to my question…..does anyone know when WindsorHouse was built and by whom?? I just can’t find this info anywhere:))
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If you are going to include Ariels and masts then this is the tallest structure in Ireland
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8025036.stm
bbc article on changing cityscapes in the uk.
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Belfast used to be a very attractive city. Unfortunately little or nothing of it was left standing after WWII. How lucky for Dublin that they opted out of that one.
You’ll also find that many buildings built up until the Good Friday agreement tended, for some reason, to take on a rather “defensive” design approach
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Victoria Square is a very good addition to Belfast; the dome is an amazing place from which to view Cave Hill and the bay. Sadly other than Victoria Square which has completely dominated prime retail (and has enough void space to satisfy all high end demand for another 5 years); the opportunity to build high quality buildings is curtailed by the rental levels acheivable by developers. Until such time as top graduates remain in the city the capacity for outstanding buildings beyond the odd civic commission or if tourist driven leisure continues to grow; is sadly limited. 😮
A real pity as Victorian Belfast was a real treasure; less call centres more fund management….
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Victoria square destroyed more than 1/4 of Belfast’s surviving georgian stock. Although for some that was a positive thing. Victoria Sq. is very impressive though, and I just wish ABP wasn’t so uptight about the Dublin Central scheme, the proposed skypark would have been just as interesting as viccy’s dome.
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@cgcsb wrote:
Victoria square destroyed more than 1/4 of Belfast’s surviving georgian stock. Although for some that was a positive thing. Victoria Sq. is very impressive though, and I just wish ABP wasn’t so uptight about the Dublin Central scheme, the proposed skypark would have been just as interesting as viccy’s dome.
Really? I do remember that there was controversy that one of Belfasts oldest pubs was demolished/closed to make way for it but I thought that the only large scale demolishion involved Churchill House, a 1960s slab?
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@thebig C wrote:
Really? I do remember that there was controversy that one of Belfasts oldest pubs was demolished/closed to make way for it but I thought that the only large scale demolishion involved Churchill House, a 1960s slab?
there was a good bit of decaying georgian housing, in fairness I suppose it was only fit for demolition. A similar pub opened just outside victoria square in a classic building, not sure if it’s different owners though. The kitchen bar I believe it’s called.
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@rob mc wrote:
Is that the Obel in the last picture?? Looks pretty ugly from that angle!
Yes, thats the Obel in the last two pictures above and i agree that it looks less than flattering from here. It appears to turn its back on the city centre. Here is another view of it taken from the Short Strand area across the river. Showing its better side imo.
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It will look better from the front; this is a very good example of why it is important for planners to request montages from a variety of angles placing any proposed building into context. That said I’d not criticise it for being anything other than a little plain from the back; it is not like the fenestrations or building materials are ugly; maybe it was part of a plan to mass a few surrounding blocks to create a design of blocks; taking Canary Wharf as an example it looks good as a mass of buildings but a lot of the individual blocks are very simple shapes that individually would not work as well as in concert.
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I was in Belfast two weeks ago. Eventhough its core centre is considerably smaller then that of Dublin’s, the westmoreland st/ o connell bridge axis aside, it had I felt much more of a big city feel to it than its southern counterpart. Dublin due to its lowrise nature and big (in comparison to Belfast’s) centre, feels like an enourmous town and Belfast’s relevatively small core and plethora of tall buildings, just about slips into (small) big city status.
And before anyone starts going “here we go again, high rise v lowrise etc blah blah; it isn’t a rant on that subject. It’s just an observation OK? 🙂
I also think that the city hall is one the finest examples of Edwardian architecture I’ve ever seen. Very imposing and impressive. Imposing can be a good thing too! It’s a pity they moved to wheel. I would have liked to have a go on that!
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@Desmund wrote:
. . . . Belfast’s relevatively small core and plethora of tall buildings, just about slips into (small) big city status.
I also think that the city hall is one the finest examples of Edwardian architecture I’ve ever seen. Very imposing and impressive. Imposing can be a good thing too!
I would agree with Desmund, up to a point, but I think the best parts of Belfast are the three or four decent streets in the core where there’s still a Victorian/Edwardiam coherence, not the bits dominated by some pretty mediocre high rise blocks.
There was a slight ‘Temple Bar’ feel to some of the little streets around where the Victoria Square Centre was developed and that’s mostly gone now, but at least the new centre made a conscious effort to connect with Belfast’s great Victorian heritage and I think in that regard it’s been much more of an urban success than any of the random tower blocks I’ve seen.
I do think that the robust scale of the average Belfast streetscape meant that it was better placed to absorb some taller buildings than say Dublin, and I think some of the more modest [and better designed] of the taller structures, like that 60s block with the abstract muriel up at the Albert Clock, add to the urban quality of the place rather than take away from it.
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@Desmund wrote:
I was in Belfast two weeks ago. Eventhough its core centre is considerably smaller then that of Dublin’s, the westmoreland st/ o connell bridge axis aside, it had I felt much more of a big city feel to it than its southern counterpart. Dublin due to its lowrise nature and big (in comparison to Belfast’s) centre, feels like an enourmous town and Belfast’s relevatively small core and plethora of tall buildings, just about slips into (small) big city status.
While its tempting to draw comparisons between the two biggest cites on the island for all sorts of reasons, street planning isn’t one of them.
Belfast is a child of the industrial revolution.
Dublin is a tired old granny by comparison. (Still feeding her errant grandchildren).A more suitable comparison to Belfast is Manchester.
Both places suffered damage during WW2 resulting in their grid layout.
As a regular visitor to Belfast and Manchester, I often have to check with myself briefly when I turn a street corner, to remind myself what city I’m in.Dublin and Belfast are very different towns.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/releasethestars/2471805499/
Unusual view of part of the south Belfast skyline, looking west from Queen’s University. -
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