Beamish
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Am quite surprised by Heineken’s attitude to the site here – perhaps head office isn’t involved, being managed and is the baby of the local Irish management.
was talking to the facilitator at the public viewing and the times and days to view in the Counting House are:
Thursday January 20th & Frday January 21st from 12-4pm
Tuesday to Friday of the following week also from 12-4pmI was at the presentation at the Beamish counting house last night, did not wish to post on the feelings of those present in case my post would not be believed. However the report in tonight’s Evening Echo confirms what I was going to post; the only people I spoke to that were in full favour of the proposal were Heineken and BAM. Every other person I spoke to were expressing anything from ‘some reservations’ to ‘outright shock’ at Heinekens proposal.
The applicants were none too pleased to be told to their faces that the plans were an outrageous attempt to maximise profit to the determent of the city’s heritage. Nor I am sure where they happy that members of the National Conservation and Heritage Group were greeting visitors in a very polite manner at the front gate, outlining their views to invited guests before the guests entered the presentation.
Hardly surprising, I imagine these events tend to self-selecting. Only htose who have a problem with the development could be bothered to attend?? maybe…
What’s the story with the scaffolding and plastic to the left of the main entrance to the counting house? What’s its purpose?
In fairness, the existing buildings surrounding the Counting House don’t exactly do it must justice either! Just about any development would be an improvement.
It’s good to see Tuckey St. being ‘continued’ through the site (another new street in the city centre? That doesn’t happen too often.), and the walkway by the river. The height of the buildings is a bit OTT, and does detract a lot from one of Cork’s signature views – that of the cathedral. I know from having lived on the opposing quay – it’s a very, very popular photo spot. Looking at some of the other previously proposed developments, for the South Main St. car park site, and the site by Crosses Green – not to mention the new Jurys! – it seems like protecting this view doesn’t seem to be much of a priority for many.
It would be great to have something in that area – the whole street has been so run down for decades now.
The scaffolding to the side of the Counting House is a temporary ramp for wheelchair access to the building.
I assume it will be there while the building is open to the public to view the plans.Thanks Barney.
Some images of the development taken from the planning file. This doesn’t allow me to upload the images directly, so just click on the links.
http://img810.imageshack.us/i/bc1i.png/
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/bc2vd.png/
http://img257.imageshack.us/i/bc3k.jpg/
http://img814.imageshack.us/i/bc4a.jpg/
http://img534.imageshack.us/i/bc5w.jpg/Thanks for the images.
It looks enormous and out of keeping with the other buildings in the area.
Having said that , the view from Elizabeth Fort does look quite impressive.There should be a rule against fluffy clouds to deliberately mask bulk in images submitted. This would look very different in reality or in an image against a blue sky; a wolf in sheeps clothing…..
The heads of the planning department should be displayed outside the counting house (like the convicts heads were years ago) if this joke of a development is passed.
Really cannot see the Dean of St. Fin Barres allowing this without a fight on his watch as guardian of the national monument under his care.
Last time going by the Counting House – it like a wheelchair ramp was being added to the steps leading up to the front door of the building. If that’s what it is – it’s great that they’re making the building more accessible, but I’d worry how well that’ll fit in with the rest of the building.
Judging by their proposals, they don’t exactly look like the most subtle and sympathetic of owners.
@Radioactiveman wrote:
Some images of the development taken from the planning file. This doesn’t allow me to upload the images directly, so just click on the links.
http://img810.imageshack.us/i/bc1i.png/
http://img43.imageshack.us/i/bc2vd.png/
http://img257.imageshack.us/i/bc3k.jpg/
http://img814.imageshack.us/i/bc4a.jpg/
http://img534.imageshack.us/i/bc5w.jpg/thanks
that last image in particular seems really misleading, as the view is looking down on the building so much that it is below the horizon!! where is that camera supposed to be?they do something similar in the first and second pictures, as they line up the roofline of the new building with roofs in the foreground
the bridge in the 4th and 5th pictures looks interesting. that is about the only positive remark i can make.
Interestingly the fact that the Beamish site is within the OPW urban archaeological survey of Cork, a hell of a lot of excavations will have to be undertaken prior to any development, this has not really been addressed in the initial development plans. The underlying archaeology will inevitably influence the final design/structure-whether foundation piling would be necessary etc.
The proposed development would seem to be the wrong size, in the wrong place, to be used for the wrong reasons. It smacks of all that has been wrong in property development in Ireland for the last decade, shoving as much commercial floorspace into as tight a spot as possible.
Just the traffic implications should rule it out.
This site should be the centre of a heritage trail running from Gaol cross to the UCC Quad, the Honan Chapel, Canty’s field, St FinBarres, Elisabeth Fort, South gate Bridge, Bishop lucey Park & The English Market.
It is absolutely appropriate that an events centre should be in the docklands area. To shoe Horn and events centre in to the Beamish & Crawford site makes no sense.
If treated sensitively it could be the centre of a cultural area deserving of international recognition.
Couldn’t the development of this site be associated with the development of Elisabeth fort on one side and Christ church on the other, anchoring it in a wider cultural/ heritage area? ( A mad idea, but letting the imagination fly – how about a cable car from the walls of elisabeth fort to the site? – I just think more imagination is required – Would a Guggenheim fit there? let’s get some green space at least).
The archaeology & heritage should be respected, – a micro brewery & brewery museum, a museum dedicated to the wine geese, an incubation centre for entrepreneurship, actively using the network of Irish founded vineyards globally to demonstrate the power of Irish entrepreneurial spirit.
It is a jewel in the heart of Cork & I believe it could shine & bring revenues to the City if treated sensitively, imaginatively and with some flair. Let’s aim a bit higher.
+1. Hear, Hear!
Perhaps unsurprisingly, the application has gone for further information
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0608/1224298573770.html
Amazingly, this has been granted.
I must say, I’m surprised.
HI HO HI HO it’s off to ABP we go…
Fantastic that a development looks like going ahead. Terrible that that development is going ahead.
Huge. Bland. Unsuited/unsympathetic to the location.
With large schemes there is a huge danger consent is given on soft terms as local authorities don’t want to be seen to be anti-devleopment and anti-employment in a tough economy. Then development precendent is created and is wheeled out when the market recovers; the case of Ray Burkes exploration licenses in 1993 should not be forgotten; if a consent that under normal circumstances would be refused is granted on ‘stimulus grounds’ the length of the grant must ensure it is commenced within a 3 year timeframe and not used tactitcally when the market recovers. Please appeal this; it is wrong for Cork which other than Merchants Quay has preserved a great City Centre with very few mistakes; Heineken make enough money, I don’t need my dividends increased at the expense of something like this.
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