Anglo-Saxon (!!) Dublin
March 7, 1999 at 2:54 pm #704565AnonymousInactive
CrÃ©id nÃ³ nÃ¡ crÃ©id, ach duradh an Aoine seo caite gur thangathas ar theach dÃ©anta sa stil Anglo-Saxon i Iarthar Teampaill an Bharra tamaill Ã³ shin. DÃ© reir na gcursaÃ sÃ©andeolaÃochta in Ã‰irinn tÃ¡ an rud sin chor-a-bheith do-chreidte – go raibh na hAnglo-Saxons in mBleÃ¡ Cliath roimh na Lochlannaigh !! MÃ¡s fÃor an scÃ©al Ã©, athrÃonn an teach sin ar dtuiscint ar stair na cathrach, mar aon le stair na tÃre uilig. LÃ©igh mÃ© sa phaipear le linn an deiridh seachtaine go mbeidh RTÃ‰ ag craoladh clar-faisnÃ©ise mar gheall ar an eachtra sin DÃ© Mairt (amarach) ar thart fa 22.30 MÃ¡ chuireann sibh suim i stair BhleÃ¡ Cliath molaÃm daoibh an clar a fheiscint.
Unbelievably, last Friday The Irish Times reported a find of a pre-Viking house built in the Anglo-Saxon style in West Temple Bar in Dublin. It was fund during a construction project in Copper Lane. If its true that there was Anglo Saxon settlement in Dublin prioir to the Viking arrival, it completely changes our understanding of the history of Dublin and Ireland. It also poses so many other questions – if they were Anglo-Saxons, where did they go ? Did they settle anywhere else in Ireland ? Why has nothing of them been found before now ? Why do the Annals fail to mention their existence ? etc etc
December 20, 2005 at 7:53 pm #711619MaskhadovParticipant
I am very intrested in the history of ireland. There may have well been anglo saxons in dublin but they could have been limited to a very small number. I think there is DNA proof to show that Irish people are very far from being anywhere related to the anglo saxons.
December 21, 2005 at 1:41 am #711620AnonymousInactive
What the article (Frank Kilfeather, Irish Times, Friday Feb 26 1999 ) said was
Quote -The dig uncovered a “strange house” predating the Vikings’ arrival, which is believed to be Anglo-Saxon. The director of the dig, Ms Linzi Simpson, told The Irish Times the find was “very exciting”. While working on a Viking dig they knew immediately the house was not Scandinavian, and a comb found in it could only have come from Roman-Britain. The house was also found at the very lowest level, under Viking buildings. These three factors convinced them of habitation in the area before the Vikings arrived. Unquote
Why should there not be trade between Dublin and Anglo-Saxon “England” ? – no big deal to find a comb.
As for a shortage of A.S. blood, the Normans married/integrated with the Saxons, and the (mainly Welsh) Normans , great grandchildren of the 1066 lot, came here in the 1100’s. More Anglo-Saxon blood arrived with the Elizabethans and even more again with the Cromwellians. Like my venerable ancestor, who arrived 1651. So there is plenty of Anglo-Saxon blood here. I could be unkind and say that any weekend in Temple Bar shows the worst of the Anglo Saxons, often spilling worse than blood ……
December 21, 2005 at 10:39 am #711621AnonymousInactive
The presence of a house in Anglo-Saxon style and of a few artefacts of Anglo-Saxon origin does not necessarily imply an Anglo-Saxon presence in Dublin, whether it be large, medium or small. Indeed, to talk about ‘Anglo-Saxon Dublin’ is a bit exaggerated (actually sounds more like a tabloid headline). There is a mini-replica of Venice built in Las Vegas – does this mean that there was a blossoming of Renaissance Italianate culture in Las Vegas in the 1990s. No. Does it mean that there is or was at any time one person of Italian descent living in Las Vegas – No. Perhaps some Celtic guy decided to go across the water for a little trip, took note of the style of building and imported the idea (and the artefacts to boot). Mind you, perhaps there was also a few Anglo-Saxon families living in the Dublin area at the time. Equally so, this should not be of great surprise. It is reasonable to assume that there were at least some trade links between the two islands at the time. Where did the Anglo-Saxons go to if they were here and why are they not mentioned in the Annals? Well, if there were say 10 ASs here, I am sure that they didn’t go around with ‘I’m an Anglo-Saxon – Kiss me’ written on their tunics. Neither would they have made big news – why then would the compilers of the Annals even know about them. It is a bit like wondering why the family of ten Angolan exiles living in Ballymote are not mentioned in Ireland’s Own (these ten Angolans are fictional and for illustrative purposes only:) ). Is there AS blood in the Irish? Need this question be answered!
Any way, having worked with many archaeologists, I know one thing – they are happy to bring even the most minute archaeological curiosity to the front page.
December 21, 2005 at 2:08 pm #711622MaskhadovParticipant
Personally I dont think that any Anglo Saxons invaded this island. I think there was defintely some natural migration between the two isles but apart from the plantations (which were those scotish lunatics) we largely escaped the Anglo Saxons:)
I think as the archaeologists continue to dig they will find that we did do a large amount of trade with our nearest neighbour, even during the Roman Empire.
December 21, 2005 at 3:50 pm #711623akeParticipant
Exactly how old is this structure? If it’s pre-Viking and Anglo-Saxon it must be c.500-800 CE which leaves alot of possibilities as to theories of it’s significance. How much does it implicate romanitas in Ireland- were Hiberno-Romans also hiring Saxon mercenaries- or were the Gaelic tribes themselves recruiting them? etc
The story is rather amazing- isn’t it true that ASs were buffered by Wales? How were they building houses in Dublin?
* There could be few people in ireland, especially in the eastern half, that do not have even a drop of what would be classified (technically correctly or incorrrectly) “anglo-saxon” “blood” somewhere in their lineage.
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