an taisce-and rumours of them going bust
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just like to point out that “Non-Taiscist” has never posted here before and are not a current member reregistered as diaspora seems to think….
There was a fine building that stood on High Street just a few metres down from Tailors Hall, An Taisce’s HQ. It was the former AIB Bank (beside MRCB paints) and dates from Victorian or Edwardian times. I’m sure it had a fine interior too and it had survived the Corpo’s inane road widening schemes of the past.
I was very saddened to see at Christmas that it had been gutted with only the facade remaining. I suppose it will be transformed into appartments or offices. I did’nt read or hear any objections from An Taisce!Not accepted Alan,
If most of the names on this site are exmined Peter Fitzpatrick is about the only real name that springs to mind.
Diaspora is a description and a concept not a full frontal assualt on an organisation, this persona is used in all the contributions made on this site both possitive and negative
And I am not talking anyone with ignorant views down, merely stating that it is all a bit convenient that this ‘persona’ adopted arrived at this particular time with no location, interests, e-mail, or other profiling details.
The issues are architectural, I have engaged those in spades and will continue to do so.
There are particular opinions that I will never accept such as property values being more important than urban grain.
I find that this opinion being sold on an architectural website all the more bizarre.
Really Sorry I forgot to mention Graham Hickey
paul clerkin? if thats a nickname its a weird one. rita ochoa too. andrew duffy……. doozer?
why diaspora anyway? are you jewish?
i was out on site and i missed all this fun!!!! let me see!!!!hmmmmm… ok..sometimes it is necessary to sign off buildings as a matter of business…if u were actually doing architecture u would understand this instead of a professional objector…. i am far from a yes man and there are definately no bells ringing.
nicely said non-taiscist….. and not trusted by anyone…i think that the term “private recreation of the affluent” is relevant as an taisce certainly does not represent even a significant minority in this country. it’s elitist and with some very backwark looking views of architecture.
“What An Taisce stands for is being “A Champion for Quality of Life”” i found this particularly funny!!!! lol.Well yes, Sligo’s urban grain is important particularly if you’re living in Dublin.
If your house is damp, poorly insulated with an outside loo and has limited access to hot water or central heating. Where windows are difficult to open because of subsidence and where you can’t leave it’s value to you kids when you die because no one in their right mind would want to buy then it kind of colours your attitude toward its significance.
Are you suggesting bu the way that I’m Non Taiscist? What larks!
alan..it’s the quality of life!!! ha,.ha… that’s brilliant… champion ..no doubt… sure all us outside the pale still live in mud houses and so even buildings that are falling down must be better than that!!! grow up disapora…i suggest u come down “the country”. what will u do when an taisce goes belly up? go into private practice!!!! ha,ha…i would love for u to get back to us on that one to see how you do.
i think it would be a pity to loose an taisce, they represent point of view and it is always good to have all point of views heard, good goverance is the mediation of extremes, and so on. if an taisce’s view win out and you disagree, then your arguement is with the relavant council or apb for their decision, not with an taisce for expression pushing their opinion. if the system works, then making a bad arguement should affect nothing and making a good one should help.
myself, i agree with an taisce about half the time and disagree the other half. i do find it amazing though that it is such a closed organization, they make very little effort to recruit, they don’t organize many public meetings, for a campaigning organization their pr is awful, they appear snobby, their website is poor and so on. maybe this is because they are trying to fill to many different roles: enviromental campaign, planning watchdog and national trust.
notjim is my real name.
Originally posted by Diaspora
J Bowler resigned for reasons unknown to me so I can’t comment. Other than to say I hope John reconsiders his decision.Sorry you are wrong…
John received a letter firing him….
He did not go of his own violation….volition
without being too personal, i imagine miss clerkin and bowler are pretty pissed about this. do an taisce have public accounts to prove their financial position or are they just jerking the knee and looking for attention?
I don’t agree with all the views that AT express, but if I felt *that* badly about them, I would join and attempt to change from the inside!
Gabriel (also a real person) Conway
that was suggested about a year ago to me when they were looking for people to join but i couldn’t do that to myself…
SW101 Paul and rita are moderators
Alan,
Have you never heard of restoration, and to descend in to inheritance is only amplify your admission that your primary objective is the creation of monetary value with the setting being a mere secondary concern.
Also when you are finished this project what reason will you have to go to Sligo? Maybe you might have a similar reason to the North Americans you mentioned?
I was non insinuating that you were non-taiscist. I have my suspicions and they point in a direction that is not you. I think the thread clarifies it pretty clearly.
Paul not to be overly argumentitive, but John resigned before the letter was served. He is a very independent and competent man, who jumped prior to the push.
Gabriel,
Sorry to have excluded your name, but I was merely pointing out the general trend. PLatform 11 rocks
So you just whinge from the outside then Fin?
Thanks Diaspora, though I’m nothing to do with Platform 11, I’m “BusTravel Ireland”.
Anyhow, actually this whole thread has stirred up some interest in me, and I think I’ll go off and do some research on AT and maybe join (if they take members) depending on what they and I have to offer each other.
Maybe it will provoke a similar response in others, after all, if it is ignorant of the “common person”‘s ideas, that is probably because the “common person” has not bothered to voice them.
Gabriel
i just couldn’t consider myself to be a champion of the quality of life really. wouldn’t be able to handle the responsibility. and why would anyone bother to change there name??? paranoia is a terrible thing.
I agree Fin,
you would never volunteer any time to serve an organisation that is dedicated to championing issues such as the prevention Of
1. Bad Planning
2. Environmental Pollution
An Taisce is an organisation that actively Promotes
1. Good architectural design
2. Sustainable development patterns
3. Better waste management
4. The retention and management of important buildings and habitats
But you can handle the responsibility of signing off of work that you consider of dubious quality.
I have not accused anyone of being non-taiscist, but I challenge non-tascist to reveal themself
Well Diaspora, our project in Sligo is now over. Still I’ll be visiting because the people are spirited and generous and the craic is good. Sligo and Glasgow have long established trading links, no doubt you knew that.
Still, I’ve news for you, architecture is not about setting, money or indeed urban fabric………. like everything in life, it’s about people and their aspirations. For someone to want a decent house is not in itself a bad thing…………… nor is it daft for a developer to desire to make a venture a commercial, that’s how life is.
Championing their vision of…
Bad Planning
Good architectural design
…etc etc…AT come across as though their sh!t doesn’t smell and their way is the only way. An organisation in need of some PR.
I always thought the direct flight was to Donegal? I also doubt that Sligo trades more with Glasgow than anywhere else in Ireland.
In case you didn’t know Ireland has the most open trading economy in the World, there are extensive trading links with everywhere particularly the UK,US and Belgium
Architecture is about all those things, but those who realise their aspirations are those who play smart. Site selection is generally a good place to start.
As a general rule of thumb the developers who make a return are those who can convert latent site value without interfering with the urban grain
Youre real argument is not with An Taisce but with the Local Authority. Even more specifically with the student who didn’t list the Teeling House for protection. If you sold the merits of your building as opposed to repeating how your client will benefit from the development you could stand a higher chance of success.
After all the Local Authority have a duty to all the residents of Sligo on an equal basis. Not to specific land holders regardless of how much they paid for a site
If you paid $128 for Intel Stock in March 2000 who would you blame, I know Fin would blame An Taisce would you?
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