An Irish National Stadium!
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Hard to say what location the government will decide on. McDaid was plugging Abbotstown last night, although if they go with that they should build an 80,000 seater as what was originally proposed. No half-hearted half measures.
Where are you going to get the 80,000 regular spectators to fill it….
A bit of realism…lets have a great new stadium but ones thats ultimatley a viable entity
we covered this before maybe not in this thread but before anyway but i think build it and people will come. it’s a monument to us and for us. it will be full for most games…
I agree but for McDaid to say that Irish designers couldn’t design an 80,000 or similar at Landsdowne is an insult to the Indigenous desin industry.
To dismiss it without looking at sinkingthe pitch was premature.
City Centre stadiums deliver longer visits by fans. Abbotstown would equal an anywhere experience. i.e. Dortmund or Dordrecht.
Dublin is a special City it deserves two special stadiums at its heart.
while not many may have any experience in designing stadium of such size it doesn’t mean it can’t be done by a native. if it is easier and cheaper to get a foreign architect with lots of experience then i can’t argue with that. he may get an irish architect to sipervise or collabrate which would then give the necessary experience.
Originally posted by FIN
we covered this before maybe not in this thread but before anyway but i think build it and people will come. it’s a monument to us and for us. it will be full for most games…And maybe we could call it the
“Field of Dreams”…..Because it’s the Capital City of Ireland?
(and has about a third of the population of Ireland and also usually sets a precedent for Irish Life in general!)
Also because it has retained a large urban core that is vibrant about 20 hours per day.
All the best tourist facilities in Dublin are at its core with the exception being Ballsbridge.
How is Dublin, with its dereliction, vomit, litter, vomit, poor arcitecture and unfriendly populace any different to any other city its size? The buildings are shorter, but that is not something that makes it special. Rather, a lot of the architectural mistakes are a result of the decades of interesting developments being crushed because of scale or appropriateness breeding a set of developers who build the cheapest box to contain the desired amount of floorspace possible, because anything out of the ordinary is too much trouble. Now, I can understand not wanting interesting modern architecture in the heart of Venice or Rome, but what is special about Dublin?
Andrew I am in Favour of an interesting piece of architecture going into a location that is as close to Central Dublin as is possible.
Have a look at Garrethace’s Cathedrals of Commerce thread. A lot of the issues you have raised have been discussed there.
Dublin is a good City at worst, it is a great place to shop, eat, have a drink or go to a match.
It has an atmosphere that is attractive to visitors, I don’t think that an edge city stadium would deliver a similar atmosphere.
i diagree. what is needed is the organisation like in other countries and which has started with the different clubs providing the athmosphere.
Fin could you please elaborate on your definition of organisational structure?
right! what i mean is the football clubs organise so as to provide people with a focal point to go to before kick off. at this focal point then they may do whatever(different people have different ideas about fun). this wouldn’t cost the clubs at all as all they are providing is their fan base with a common place to meet. it works woith football clubs in italy. throughout the stadium different areas have a certain type of people. take juventus. in the stadia deli allpi there is the curva nord/ curva sud / the fighters and other fan clubs. this would increase the athmosphere in the stadium. this may also increase the chances that ordinary fans may stay around after the match in dublin to experience what happens afterwards with these clubs. it’s just a thought!
A very good thought too!
I lament the decline in domestic soccer here, particularly Shamrock Rovers.
Who have stumbled from tenancy to tenancy for 16 years now.
I also liked the Wimbledon proposal a few years ago, it would have been a real diaspora project. London diaspora returning to make a contribution to the cultural life of Dublin.
In the absence of a viable club football income only a joint IRFU/FAI venture is possible.
I therefore think that the government should listen to those who will ultimately be left holding the baby post completion.
It is a viable project to build a 65-80,000 seat stadium at Landsdowne Road if the existing stadium is demolished.
The stadium turned 90 degrees and it’s pitch put substantially lower than the existing height.
Thus eliminating the single most obvious planning objection.
Commercial viability of the stadium might possibly see a proposal such as the Wimbledon project emerge again.
i liked that at the time also. however the premier league wouldn’t sanction it and i think neither would fifa. playing in another country. this seems to be an excuse that the pout however i believe cardiff city in the 1st division isn’t in england…please feel free to contradict me on this one… it’sthe same excuse they give for not including rangers and celtic into premiership.
the hought could also transfer to rugby in the shape of the 4 provinces. and i do believe too that the gov should listen to the 2 associations. however will they?
is there space for an 80,000 stadium at lansdowne? ifthere was that would be an inclination for me to start supporting that particular project. if they could build the 60,000 with the option to extend to 80,000 then that i think would be viable. they could see how much it’s used/ how much money it generates and then decide to add the extra 20,000 or even more( i wish).
1 question though. they say a decision is needed quick but if they do tear down lansdowne. where will we play our home games when this is going on? or will it be a stand at a time like croker. this will reduce the capacity by lots during construction.
I think it would have to be all or nothing.
Although the GAA might provide Croke Park on a temporary basis once the England-Ireland rugby match wasn’t held there. That would give them about two years.
The good thing Landsdowne already has is that it has full planning for at least 56,000 spectators.
Originally posted by Diaspora
A very good thought too!I lament the decline in domestic soccer here, particularly Shamrock Rovers.
The league just had it’s most sucessfull season in years. Just because Rovers are dead does not mean the domestic league is. Far from it. Clubs like Bohs, Cork and Longford do very well and have decent crowds and strong local followings. The problem is that people need to switch off Sky and go and support their own league and not some British corporate entity like Celtic and Liverpool.
Ireland is the only country in Europe were the poeple think a foreign league is their own league. The Irish are deeply unsophisticated race who do everything that box of lights and sound in the corner of the living room tells them to do. We are exceptionally backward and oafish in many ways. More like stupid American trailer trash than Europeans.
Also domestic soccer in this country has to compete with a political and religious organisation which dabbles in sport called the GAA and also rugby. Put this all together and the League of Ireland seem rather sucessfull all things considered.
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