Alto Vetro, grand canal docks, dublin
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I think the main B’sM bldg is a lot older than the 1950s and does deserve retention (and respect); there may well be additional elements that need not be retained and clearly these could be replaced if necessary. One just wonders whether any replacements would be respected in 10 years, never mind 60+.
Boland’s mill consists of two late Victorian stone workshops facing Ringsend Road and the inner dock which are protected; two semi-detached Victorian houses on Barrow Street which are also protected and are in scandalously poor condition; various smaller portected warehouse on the interior of the compound; and finally two interlinked concrete silos of 1940s, ’50s or ’60s vintage. The silos are of absolutely no architectural merit whatsoever, unlike some other silos in Dublin and Cork’s docks with subtle Art Deco features. One is also very evidently constructed of thin shuttered concrete, which leads me to doubt that it could support internal floors even it it were possible to make it look attractive as part of a conversion. There is a great photo in the first post of this thread that shows all four large buildings, and one further down of the houses on Barrow Street: https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2506
While the rejected proposal for the site deserved to be rejected due to being bland and repetitive, I wish a better one had made it over the line before the commercial proprty market made it unviable. Now there will be a huge derelict complex on my street for yet another decade.
Very fair points, but in an overheated market there is always a tendency to over-egg the floorspace (and go too high?) and ignore any inconvenient ‘heritage’ in the way. Recessions (so we are told) don’t last forever and there is now a breathing-space to develop the site in a more sensitive (but still comercially-viable) way.
I hope so. In the meantime, when the sky is overcast and the mood dark there is an intriguing juxtaposition between the rotting concrete of Bolands and the hulking services shaft of the building just down the road. That one could go either way – Some of the renders give it a Miesian appearance while others make it look like sixteen floors of just-above-the-minimum-required-to-get-permission blandness.
@Andrew Duffy wrote:
Boland’s mill consists of two late Victorian stone workshops facing Ringsend Road and the inner dock which are protected; two semi-detached Victorian houses on Barrow Street which are also protected and are in scandalously poor condition; various smaller portected warehouse on the interior of the compound; and finally two interlinked concrete silos of 1940s, ’50s or ’60s vintage. The silos are of absolutely no architectural merit whatsoever, unlike some other silos in Dublin and Cork’s docks with subtle Art Deco features. One is also very evidently constructed of thin shuttered concrete, which leads me to doubt that it could support internal floors even it it were possible to make it look attractive as part of a conversion. There is a great photo in the first post of this thread that shows all four large buildings, and one further down of the houses on Barrow Street: https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=2506
While the rejected proposal for the site deserved to be rejected due to being bland and repetitive, I wish a better one had made it over the line before the commercial proprty market made it unviable. Now there will be a huge derelict complex on my street for yet another decade.
Looking at the rejected proposal……..it looks suspiciously similar to what is now being constructed on the Monte Vetro site. Anybody notice this??
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Obviously, the Victorian Mill/Grain stores should be kept. Not only are they very attractive, but those types of buildings can make great quirky office areas or loft apartments.
As for the 50’s 60’s grain silos, I think they could be swept away. They are very overbearing and of little merit. Being built in a time of austerity they are also probably of dubious construction quality are other posters have mentioned. If they were to be retained, there is an example in Copenhagen of a former Carlsberg silo being used as the core of a cylindrical apartment building. I think its about 80m. I will try posting pics here later.
Also, I came across another example on Skyscrapercities from the Czech Republic, likewise the building couldn’t support many internal floors, so a modernist residence was built on the uppermost floors of the mill building. I think somebody has already posted this somewhere on archiseek.
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The new controll tower in Dublin Airport is set to become the tallest structure in Ireland (that’s not one of those bare steel frame antenna things (I’m having a blonde day)) it’ll be over 80 meters high
@cgcsb wrote:
The new controll tower in Dublin Airport is set to become the tallest structure in Ireland (that’s not one of those bare steel frame antenna things (I’m having a blonde day)) it’ll be over 80 meters high
well tallest ‘habitable’ structure anyway
interesting. any images of this tower?
I’m not sure if construction has started or not. I believe the reason for it is that the runway is being obscured from the current control tower because of T2 so the new one must be 80 metres high. That’s one building that the council can’t insist has a few metres lopped off it.
The airport isn’t in the Dublin SE ward… so the objections would be less shrill and accompanied by fewer SC barristers in any case.
@fergalr wrote:
The airport isn’t in the Dublin SE ward… so the objections would be less shrill and accompanied by fewer SC barristers in any case.
Yes….and ABP are very zealous about having no High-Rise in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown:)
@cgcsb wrote:
I’m not sure if construction has started or not. I believe the reason for it is that the runway is being obscured from the current control tower because of T2 so the new one must be 80 metres high. That’s one building that the council can’t insist has a few metres lopped off it.
There are some amazing Control Towers around the world. Alot of Airports use them as Signature buildings. A great examples would be Newcastle Airport and Edinburgh Airport.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Airport
And a quirky older example….Budapest:)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Ferihegy_International_Airport
Maybe, ATC towers are the makings of a separate thread??
It’s been a little over two weeks since the last photos of Monte Vetro were uploaded, it must look a little more filled out at this stage.
@Cathal Dunne wrote:
It’s been a little over two weeks since the last photos of Monte Vetro were uploaded, it must look a little more filled out at this stage.
Yeah, I was thinking the same. I used to work near there until last Sept……I would have been able to watch this rising from my office window:)
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was there on wednesday, it was much the same
@cgcsb wrote:
was there on wednesday, it was much the same
I can see why, the website for the building has a webcam up at the top showing daily and hourly progress on site. Link. The liftshaft, which is the only visible part of the building from street-level, hasn’t been built upon in the last few weeks. From the looks of it they are building below street level and it’ll only be when this building work rises above street level that changes will become apparent.
Hey Gang
I came accross this website:
It mentions that the lift shaft is 76 metres in height! I know there will be a plant room above the top floor proper. But that still would not account for the extra height. Could they be counting below ground floors in the overall height?
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@thebig C wrote:
Hey Gang
I came accross this website:
It mentions that the lift shaft is 76 metres in height! I know there will be a plant room above the top floor proper. But that still would not account for the extra height. Could they be counting below ground floors in the overall height?
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I’m not sure,sounds a bit odd,could just be a typo cos i’m pretty sure its only 63 metres tall.
So is this officially the tallest building in Dublin or what?there is so much bloody mystery surrounding its height 😀
@rob mc wrote:
I’m not sure,sounds a bit odd,could just be a typo cos i’m pretty sure its only 63 metres tall.
So is this officially the tallest building in Dublin or what?there is so much bloody mystery surrounding its height 😀
Yeah, even at 63m it would be Dublins tallest! So, its taken over 40 years to climb just 4m!!!
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