All aboard the Luas, at last Tickets, please: the low-down on Luas
May 22, 2004 at 2:50 am #707109Paul ClerkinKeymaster
Travelling by tram from Sandyford to St Stephen’s Green gives a completely new perspective on Dublin, just like everyone’s first trip on the M50. Unlike the motorway’s exploded landscape, however the tramway is very contained, usually by the numerous back gardens along its route. Frank McDonald, Environment Editor, takes a test trip
It’s a fascinating, even voyeuristic, experience. Boundaries are marked by a mish-mash of chain-link fences, old granite walls, palisades and breeze block, and new reinforced concrete walls for those who shouted loudest. At least one is faced in granite on its inner side.
For anyone living along the old Harcourt Street line, getting used to the “clang clang” sound of tram bells must be a big change. Much of the route had been a linear wildlife refuge, or simply incorporated into people’s gardens, since it was closed down more than 40 years ago.
The tram we board at Sandyford, on the edge of the industrial and business zone where 30,000 people work, clangs its bell as we depart and clangs it again arriving at and leaving every other stop along the 9km route. Altogether, there are 13 stops.
One is immediately taken with the length of the Sandyford trams; at 40 metres, they’re 10 metres longer than the trams on the Tallaght line, which is due to open this autumn. They all come in the same purple and yellow livery – the Wexford GAA colours – and have the same kitsch upholstery.
There’s a park-and-ride site at Sandyford, and two more at Stillorgan and Balally. But will there be feeder bus services to convey people to and from work in the various business parks? That, like the integration of Luas and bus services, has yet to be worked out with Dublin Bus.
Extensive landscaping was carried out as part of the project. The park-and-ride sites all have rows of mountain ash, while prickly mahonia is the predominant shrub along the line itself, which is laid on a heavy-duty concrete trackbed until it hits the city’s streets at Peter Place.
Kilmacud, the third stop, comes as a bit of a shock. Its white concrete lift shaft, overbridge and backing wall are all covered in graffiti – as bad as Kilbarrack DART station was in its worst days. Local gurriers also throw eggs at the trams, which are washed every night at the Sandyford depot. The high-level swivelling cameras at Luas stops have not proved a deterrent.
The tram moves along at a fair clip between stops, and much less noisily than diesel trains or even the DART. At Balally, the stop is located right underneath an apartment block being built by developer Gerry Gannon. The arrival of Luas was also a planning plus for the nearby shopping centre.
Dundrum’s Luas stop is appropriately located in front of the old railway station, which served for years as the offices of Carr Communications. No new use has yet been found for the turquoise-coloured neo-classical building; the Luas people think a restaurant would be ideal.
Crossing the bridge over the Taney Road junction is less dramatic than the perspective from ground level. An urban design plan for the bridge, so that its undercroft would be filled in as an extension of Dundrum Main Street, was drawn up in 1997 but remains to be realised.
There are marvellous views over the Dodder from Milltown viaduct, the huge masonry bridge that survived the closure of the old Harcourt Street line. Unlike the smaller bridges at Dunville Avenue, Ranelagh, Northbrook Road and the Grand Canal, it would have been expensive to demolish.
Every stop will have two German-made ticket machines that should prove robust, plus a digital information panel that gives the arrival times of the next three trams. There is also an intercom from the Luas control centre, off the M50’s Red Cow roundabout, to inform passengers of any delays.
Our test tram is held up interminably at the Beechwood stop, off Dunville Avenue, because of a problem with the traffic lights. We can’t move until it it sorted out, and the queues of cars don’t seem to want to move either – until Vincent Eaves, of Luas operator Connex, did some unofficial point duty.
For situations like Dunville Avenue, each Luas tram can make a loud “beep, beep” noise, like an irritated car-horn, to warn of its imminent crossing. But it takes just seven seconds for the 40-metre-long Sandyford trams to clear the junction, thus minimising the disruption to traffic.
The Beechwood stop includes the only new building on the line – an ugly kiosk that’s likely to be a convenience store. Crudely built, with chunky brown PVC windows and its roof sloping down to a canopy with a large hole in it, this is not the way to make a “modern statement”.
Each stop has its own electricity sub-station, a large metallic box. People living close to the Cowper stop are still offended by the insensitive placing of its sub-station in the foreground of a much-loved leafy walk. And when you see it, it’s easy to understand why.
The stainless steel handrails at the Ranelagh and Charlemont stops strike precisely the right contemporary note, as do the glazed shelters at every other stop. Some glass panels have already been shattered by vandals, such is their contempt for the new tramway.
After crossing the Grand Canal, the tram snakes through a narrow opening and then downwards into Peter Place. A pair of tight curves here generate a lot of groaning and screeching before we reach the box junction on Adelaide Road and potential conflict with other traffic.
Safety is a major concern, of course. Wherever Luas crosses the path of other traffic, there are black and yellow warning signs with tram symbols and the warning “Look both ways” (as Gaeilge, too). A Luas official said he saw a cyclist “nearly getting creamed the other day” at the end of Harcourt Street.
There is historic justice in the location of the Luas stop right in front of the old station. The “wirescape” over the street, which some feared would be visually obtrusive, is so minimalist that it’s barely noticeable. The catenary is suspended from buildings on either side, thus avoiding a proliferation of poles.
High-quality paving and street furniture was promised at the outset of the Luas project. This has been delivered, but only in part. There’s even evidence of discrimination in favour of the southside, with real stone setts being laid in Harcourt Street, while Abbey Street was dressed in concrete.
All the motorists queuing in the traffic jam alongside are looking at the Luas, as if in disbelief that it has finally arrived, while our tram glides down Harcourt Street, clanging its bells almost continuously. One woman suggested that the trams should play loud classical music instead.
We finally come to a stop at the west side of St Stephen’s Green, where there are a lot of poles to support the Luas power supply. This is the end of the line, as the original plan to proceed via Dawson Street and College Green to O’Connell Street was scrapped by the Government in 1998.
The Sandyford Luas line is due to open on June 30th. Trams will run from 5.30 a.m. to 12.30 a.m. Monday to Friday, from 6.30 a.m. to 12.30 a.m. Saturday and from 7.30 a.m. to 12.30 a.m. Sunday.
Morning and evening peak-time frequency will be one tram every five minutes, reducing to every seven and a half minutes between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m., and every 10 minutes after 7 p.m.
The first weekend is likely to be free. Approved fares include 2 (one-way), 3.80 (return) 1.30 (minimum) and 80 cent (children aged 3 to 15). Children under three will travel free, as will OAPs. Peak-time restrictions for OAPs are under discussion.
Connex, the French multinational that will operate Luas, will employ at least 40 “customer service officers” to prevent fare evasion by ticket-checking one in every six passengers.
Each of the trams on the Sandyford line has 80 seats and a capacity of 300, with most passengers standing.
The Tallaght line will open at the end of August.
May 27, 2004 at 6:18 pm #742959
Can anbody answer this query?
Conventional Trains run on dedicated track, kept away from the public, but it has been considered necessary / prudent even to mark trains prominently, at the front, so persons can see them coming.
The LUAS shares the route with pedestrians, bikes and even cars, but there is no apparent need to put any safety making in prominent colours on the front of the LUAS?
Now is it wrong for the trains or wrong for the LUAS?
May 27, 2004 at 8:57 pm #742960
As far as I am aware*, as a tram, the LUAS is regarded as a “road vehicle” under the Road Traffic Act, and so is treated just like a car or a bus.
Old legislation . . .
* and I may well be wrong
May 28, 2004 at 9:06 am #742961
Gabriel’s correct. The tram is actually considered a road vehicle and therefore requires tax, insurance and the driver has to have a drivers license. The odd part is the vehicle being double ended need tail lights and headlights on both ends which requires a dispensation under road traffic acts. Also the tram has indicators !
The trams are being driven with the lights on during testing and I assume they will continue with this when fully operational.
May 28, 2004 at 9:08 am #742962Andrew DuffyParticipant
Trams are also bound by speed limits (incidentally, how are the spped limits on dedicated stretches like the Harcourt Street line or, more interestingly, the Naas Road, indicated?) and have an incomparably better braking ability than a train.
May 28, 2004 at 7:15 pm #742963
The jangly bell works by telling you a tram is nearby, but the traditional manual hooter is even more effective for up-close obstructions.
May 28, 2004 at 8:19 pm #742964
May 31, 2004 at 10:26 am #742965
June 1, 2004 at 12:17 pm #742966
Took a test run myself over the weekend. My guess is that the number of passengers using it between Sandyford and Dundrum will be relatively small because the line stays well away from human habitation between those two stops. There is an overhanging apartment block at Balally, but that’s the closest you get to significant centres of population for some time.
Overall, a smooth trip to Ranelagh, but crossing the road near Beechwood Avenue is a real pinch point, and a delivery lorry blocked the tram for about five minutes at Peter’s Place. Staff did tell me the 22 minute journey time from Sandyford-Stephen’s Green is being achieved, however.
Overall, I’m still impressed. Luas is going to be a big success and I reckon every part of Dublin will be clamouring to have it.
June 1, 2004 at 12:37 pm #742967AnonymousInactive
How does one go about getting a test run (apart from the usual of who you know)?
June 1, 2004 at 3:18 pm #742968
You have to be famous or influential. I qualified on both counts:D
June 2, 2004 at 11:54 am #742969
There are huge housing estates on both side of the line between Balally and Kilmacud, it’s just that you can’t see them as you are down in the cutting (and from the perspective on board it looks like you are travelling through the mountains!).
These estates will board mainly at the Kilmacud stop, as a network of pathways have been made to get them to the station.
June 2, 2004 at 12:03 pm #742970
Gab, there has been no photo updates on your site for a while! Can we expect any more?
June 2, 2004 at 12:42 pm #742971
I try – I even went so far as to get a whole series of shots showing some activity at the Nine Arches bridge, but the time to sit down, go through them, and put a feature together has eluded me.
The last few months have been busy – in addition to my normal fulltime job on-Fri in the computer industry, I’m Head of News at Phantom FM, and while we are going through our current three-month temporary licence I’m in the station all day Saturday and Sunday, thus taking up most of my free-time.
I’ll have my spare time back again at the end of the month, when our current run comes to an end, and we’ll be off the air as we go through the application process for a full Dublin licence (shed-loads of competition from the great and the good in the industry, so it will be a tough fight).
In the meantime, if there is any way I can make some extra time available this weekend, I’ll try to put up an extra update or so . . .
I know that’s not brilliant service from my website, but it is a labour of love, and it’s more than you get from the RPA 🙂
June 2, 2004 at 1:02 pm #742972
Totally understand – I was just interested and didn’t mean to put you under any extra pressure.
Maybe you should delegate to someone with more time!
Best of luck with Phantom FM, it deserves a licence.
June 2, 2004 at 1:54 pm #742973
While you are waiting here’s a couple of shots I get recently of the tram on the bridges at charlemont ……..
June 2, 2004 at 1:55 pm #742974
……………and Sean Heuston Bridge.
Gabriel, best of luck with the application.
June 2, 2004 at 4:54 pm #742975
I take your point Gabriel – you are sunk down in a bit of a canyon until you get to Dundrum.
btw, the full fare from Sandyford-Ranelagh will be 2 euros, which i think is good value.
keep up the good work on Phantom – you’ve a lot of fans out there!
June 2, 2004 at 5:00 pm #742976
Do you think that is the final colour of the charlemont bridge? It’s pretty bright!
June 3, 2004 at 8:17 am #742977
I’ve put a quick update on the site, with pictures of a completed station (Windy Arbour) including shelter and ticket machines.
By the way, the new Drummartin Link Road finally opened yesterday afternoon, so you can drive past Kilmacud Station now.
They have also, very usefully, opened the extended slip between the M50 junctions at Ballinteer and Sandyford (not the motorway itself, but a segregated access road alongside it) thereby allowing direct access from the M50 into Sandyford without clogging up Ballinteer, Wyckham etc.
June 3, 2004 at 9:10 am #742978Andrew DuffyParticipant
Has Connex or the RPA licenced the CIE typeface for the labels on those machines?
June 3, 2004 at 9:24 am #742979shadowParticipant
Regardless of colour the design around charlemont bridge is awful, an incoherent mess.
June 3, 2004 at 1:57 pm #742980
“including shelter ” at Windy Arbour.
Thanks but it seems as if the shelter here has no protective or sheltering side walls, – dont fancy waiting too long there.
– the placename may reveal something about the weather / local microclimate.
June 3, 2004 at 2:11 pm #742981notjimParticipant
on the point, i am glad to see the photo is consistient with the arbour part of wind arbour.
June 3, 2004 at 5:29 pm #742982
The Charlemont Bridge is one of the worst things built in the city in recent times – it’s incredibly ugly and the red just makes it more noticable.
Even a motorway bridge in that new smooth concrete would have been a million times better – the current yoke looks like some postmodern experiment in Milton Keynes from 1987, esp when contrasted with calm and collected Carrolls building a couple of feet away.
June 4, 2004 at 11:05 am #742983kefuParticipant
I think people still believe it’s not actually finished.
June 4, 2004 at 11:20 am #742984
I know, for a long time I thought “that’s the supporting structure, bet it will look nice when they build the actual bridge . . .”
June 4, 2004 at 11:31 am #742985
Well – that maroon red colour is the standard colour steel comes in from the factory so I thought it was going to be painted. That defiantly gave me the feeling it wasn’t finished.
June 18, 2004 at 1:26 pm #742986
Took a look at the Windy Arbour halt
Sad to say the vandals had paid a visit to the “shelter” for Luas at the Arbour and tested some of the glass screens to destruction, since the photo earlier up this site was taken.
Just having one ticket machine on each platform could be interesting, and a lot of fun when one is out of order (of course this will never ever happen) – with passengers darting over and back across the lines to buy their tickets.
They obviously hope to rely on season tickets – but as far as I know there have been no published tariff rates for them, as yet, and very little chance to sell them in advance now of the likely first service date.
But we make it up as we go along in this country.
June 18, 2004 at 2:07 pm #742987-Donnacha-Participant
Em… is those very precarious steps down from the Charlemont bridge to be used by the public? There are no handrails!
June 18, 2004 at 2:08 pm #742988-Donnacha-Participant
Is those? Oops!
June 18, 2004 at 2:30 pm #742989
I had a look at Charlemont today, they are putting the handrails on at the moment. There’s going to be perforated metal infills to the stairs and they will have signposts indicating which to use for inbound and outbound trams.
The guys on site also told me that the bridge will have glazed panels and cover plates so the finished article will look very different. They were laying some fine granite around the base of the stairs next to a new jetty on the canal.
Also this week the framework for the canopies at Connolly started to go up. I’ve attached a picture of the first one. There are four in total which will be installed over the coming weeks.
June 29, 2004 at 7:47 pm #742990
Last minute work at Ranelagh this evening on the wide set of stairs up under the arch to the Puce line, – putting in hand rails I think before opening tomorrow.
I’d watch this one in the wet – touch of the Odessa Steps about them.
Free tomorrow evening.
June 30, 2004 at 8:39 am #742991
Some fresh pics up on my site http://www.allaboutbuses.com/luas showing last minute preperations at Dundrum.
By the way, I have to say the public walkway along the suspension bridge at Taney Cross is lovely – you can now get from Churchtown Road to Dundrum Station in an easy, level walk, and it also allows walkers from the same direction to get to Dundrum village without having to negociate the huge, hostile, multi-road junction.
And the views are nice too!
June 30, 2004 at 8:27 pm #742992
Well it is up and running and the queue for it today at St Stephen’s Green stretched back around the Green, almost to the top of Dawson Street, at around 4 p.m. That looked to me to be about 4 x LUAS loads worth, or a 40 minutes wait if they were following the timetable.
Mostly mums and kiddies but some older folks too taking advantage of the free trips.
Is this a bad initial signal to give out , that the LUAS is likely to be jammed, to potential car drivers?
June 30, 2004 at 8:56 pm #742993
The ‘sails’ at Connolly have been up for quite a few days now, difficult to see what’s going on from outsid the site though – see you manage to get in JJ!
Can’t believe this day has finally arrived, don’t think anyone else can either – and it only took 12 years!
July 1, 2004 at 8:22 am #742994AnonymousInactive
Originally posted by dc3
Well it is up and running and the queue for it today at St Stephen’s Green stretched back around the Green, almost to the top of Dawson Street, at around 4 p.m. That looked to me to be about 4 x LUAS loads worth, or a 40 minutes wait if they were following the timetable.
I left work early with the intention of travelling but when I saw the queue, I decided that the saving of â‚¬4 wasn’t worth it. I’ll travel next week when the rubberneckers have lost interest.:D
July 1, 2004 at 5:12 pm #742995
Quite disgraceful coverage by RTE News – nothing but a tossed-together report by Orla McDonnell at 9, and the story wasn’t second or third, but sixth!
All the whinging about the lack of coverage of the regions has led RTE to literally apologise everytime they run a Luas story, on radio and television. And there was no analysis of the project, any ’round up’ of why it was delayed and who was responsible, no facts as to capacity, purchasing tickets, details about how it operates, similar systems abroad, no graphics of any kind – just depend on the old reliables – vox pops. How lazy.
July 1, 2004 at 5:16 pm #742996
July 1, 2004 at 8:22 pm #742997
Long waits again at lunchtime in town today for the free Luas.
First hints of bus service cuts in the newspaper today, to take account of the arrival of the Luas.
Still no idea how the buses, coming out of Hume St and going round St Stephens Green, will be able to go up Earlsfort Terrace in future under the new “backwards” traffic flow around the Green.
July 2, 2004 at 9:33 am #742998
Heres a photo of the fabric being installed. I have not had a chance to get to Connolly this week but I understand a first full service run into the stop took place yesterday. Hope to get a closer look over the weekend.
July 2, 2004 at 10:10 am #742999
I note that Connex/RPA are only running Luas at a reduced intervals of 10 minutes until the start of August. What about the promise of 2 years ago,, Trams every 5 minutes!. This is not a good start. However it is good to see the line finished and I hope it is a success.
July 2, 2004 at 10:12 am #743000
dc3, I think there is going to be a north south bus lane on the east side of the green to accommodate these buses and buses coming from Kildare St going south.
I’m not impressed by the sails at connelly, the structure looks far to heavy for what its doing and the sails look second hand. But its hard to see with every thing else going on down there so I’ll wait till its finished before final judgement.
July 2, 2004 at 1:30 pm #743001
I had a first experience of LUAS yesterday, I was impressed in the main. Alstom have supplied excellent rolling stock and the stations are architecturally very pleasing.
If anyone is having problems queing at Stephens Green, I would advise that you walk up to the Harcourt Station, they are not limiting the numbers boarding there, so there is in reality no waiting.
You all know my capacity arguments ad nauseum so I will only say I have every confidence that LUAS will be a commercial Success, my only doubt is that possibly there will be more demand than supply. 😉
July 2, 2004 at 5:11 pm #743002GregFParticipant
The LUAS believe it or not had a brief career as an actor appearing as Darth Vader in the 1980’s Sci-Fi movie Dune.
July 3, 2004 at 4:45 pm #743003MGParticipant
Was also on the LUAS this week, most excellent experience. Beautiful trains.
How long before Luas becomes an acceptable girl’s christian name? “Come in, Luas O’Malley, your dinners is all poured out”
July 5, 2004 at 9:06 am #743004MorlanParticipant
Well, today is the first offical running of the LUAS for normal commuters. I wonder how it went this morning.
I noticed that they have closed off SG West to traffic.. any idea why?
July 5, 2004 at 9:25 am #743005RichardCParticipant
I was on the Luas this morning, it seemed that there were slightly fewer passengers than at the same time on Thursday or Friday last week. This is to be expected of course, still some of the city-centre bound trams looked quite full.
There were some queues at the ticket machines at Ranelagh and Dundrum and a few other stations, leading to a few people missing the tram. Probably the usual Monday morning rush for weekly tickets.
As for the changes at Stephen’s Green, have a look here for an explanation.
August 5, 2004 at 8:58 pm #743006shaunParticipant
I had the pleasure of riding on the LUAS line for the first time last week on a trip to Dublin. The way to the stations are not sign-posted but once you find them a great train/tram trip awaits you.
The trams themselves are first class, and the run into town is wonderful. The stations are very nicely finished as is all the furniture, bins, shelters etc….
Hope the lads keep it well maintained, it’d be a shame to see it get run-down the way CIE let the DART run-down. Saw a few kids walking along the tracks too.
August 5, 2004 at 9:25 pm #743007
August 6, 2004 at 9:29 pm #743008shaunParticipant
Diaspora, is this metro interconnector you refer to the same thing as platform 11 propose under the ‘broadstone, time for…’ with the airport link included ?
I read last weeks articles about the transport minister’s proposals for a metro link to Dublin airport and the thing will eventually cost 2.5 billion yoyo’s. I use Dublin airport a lot and I find the ‘aer-dart’ service excellent, if you want to go to the city-center or the north or southside. Is this not an airport link and could the 2.5 billion yoyo’s not be better spent elsewhere on the rail network ?
August 6, 2004 at 11:52 pm #743009
To handle this:
Check out Platform11’s site:
The interconnector will contect the main stations in Dublin. If the existing commuter lines are electrified we get an immediate pan-city DART service.
Here is a quote from the Platform11’s site.
Further on from “there” would be a â‚¬1.3bn underground electrified “Interconnector” that would link all of Dublin’s commuter train and Luas services as well as intercity services and add a new spur to Dublin Airport and the Meath suburb of Dunboyne. By 2010, under the plan, a commuter could step off a Cork train at Heuston and hop on a train to the airport via the city centre Already spending money at a lick of â‚¬250m per year, the grand plan would cost about â‚¬3bn.
At the end of the spend, Dublin would have an integrated commuter rail network capable of serving, all the major towns within 100km of the capital city and a rapid and regular intercity service. At this point, commuters probably need to suspend their belief. There isn’t even an hourly service from Greystones or Malahide to Dublin city centre right now, never mind Cork. And before the Department of Transport give the company’s â‚¬3bn plan the green light, there will be plenty of debate around whether the country should bet so big on rail.
To get more trains into the ‘central zone’, priority will be given to a spur off the existing commuter into a new train station at Spencer Dock in the city’s docklands. A signalling investment will increase trains to 16 per hour, further easing the bottleneck at Connolly.
Trains from Maynooth could be run underneath the Phoenix Park and bypass Connelly and terminate at a new station at Spencer Dock, which would then link into a Luas extension. This too would take pressure off the bottleneck.
Upgrading the Kildare line will not come too far behind. “We have to increase capacity on the Kildare line,” Meagher told an Oireachtas Transport Committee in February. “The problem is that the vast majority of our intercity customers want to travel between 5pm and 7pm and, so do our commuter passengers. If we send a commuter train out serving all or most of the stations along the way, we can’t send an intercity train for 25 minutes. Clearly, that’s a problem,”
The solution, says Meagher, to existing rail infrastructure. is “quadrupling” adding two extra tracks along the lines. More delays? Yes, but nowhere near as sever as one might imagine. IarnrÃ³d Ã‰ireann owns the ‘way leave’ along the track and should be able to manage the upgrade.
I believe they are going to electrify this line as well.
This is not the metro, which will serve very few people for the same money. I have only recently been to platform11’s site but they are very good on this issue. The interconnector is the way to go.
As you point out the AerDart is good as it is – a DART spur to the airport would be much cheaper than a metro, and everything else would get done as well for the same price as one metro line.
August 7, 2004 at 12:12 pm #743010
The basic http://www.platform11.org message is simple from what their PR officer says, The cost of the airport Metro to Stephens green is 2.5bn it would serve
3> Glasnevin (Already close to Crossguns Bridge Line)
4> Mater Hospital ( Close to Drumcoundra Bridge Station)
5> O Connell St (Already served by Luas)
6> Tara St
7> Grafton St
8> Stephens Green
Option B Would total 3bn (Oireachtas all party transport committee) comprising: The Interconnector would in combination with a surface link from the Northern Line beyond Howth Junction serve any station to Clontarf Rd,
1> Spencer Dock (Which is going to be massive including PWC HQ
2> Pearse Staion (>=Tara St on Metro line)
3> Stephens Green (=Stephens Green on Metro Line)
4> Christchurch (Civic Offices & Legal district)
5> Guinesses (Irelands biggest paid tourist site)
6> Heuston Station
On top of serving stations the interconnector allows cross routing and an end to city centre termini for example, Kildare trains would stop at Heuston (underground) then all stations to Spencer Dock and onwards to Drogheda. Maynooth Trains would go to Bray via Spencer Dock people could change at Spencer Dock for Stephens Green or Heuston or Northern Line/Airport and Pearse for Tara St.
It links all the existing systems and stations in one move
The metro fails to do this and with the exception of Ballymun delivers no real expanded capacity over the Interconnector/Northern Aer Dart.
If Ballymun is a priority then 1/2 extensions to the Airport line could be built with every second Aer Dart going to Swords or Ballymun, or they might even build LUAS Line C
To put in perspective the additional cost equals 16.67 miles of NRA road Dublin could integrate all its rail systems. Or the Balnchardstown bypass to the far side of Dunshaughlin
August 15, 2004 at 9:06 pm #743011
Did anyone see the story in todays Tribune claiming that Luas has caused a crimewave of burglaries in the Columbanus area close to the Windy Arbour stop.
Apparently criminals are so impressed by the beauty of Luas that they have abandoned the ‘Hiace’ as the favoured get away vehicle to use Luas.
August 15, 2004 at 9:19 pm #743012
There will always be an anti-LUAS story in the Tribune. That is what they do. It sounds like nonsense .
Do we assume that after the criminals steal from a shop they run to the luas, get their ticket, wait in line, are visible to any number of commuters ( no doubt the thieves whistle nonchantly with bulging pockets), and there they go into town, awkwardly carrying a new widescreen TV without a box, everybody feigning indifference. I doubt it.
August 15, 2004 at 9:47 pm #743013Paul ClerkinKeymaster
from Sunday Business Post:
Spate of burglaries on Luas line
Property owners along the Luas tram line at Milltown, on Dublin’s south side, are complaining of a spate of burglaries since the line opened in June, writes Niamh Connolly.
Eamonn Rock, a resident of Columbanus Road in Milltown, said houses on the road were exposed to break-ins because the heavy vegetation that had screened gardens had been cut away during Luas works.
Only a small fence had been erected in place of the vegetation, he said.
The most recent burglary was last Monday when Columbanus Road resident Eileen Kelly was robbed of about â‚¬10,000 worth of jewellery.
“About 40 houses are exposed to burglary by the vegetation being uprooted,” Rock said.
“Some people on other roads have walls five foot high.”
A spokesman for the Railway Procurement Agency was not available for comment.
August 16, 2004 at 7:57 pm #743014
just wait till they get the line running all the way to our lot up in Tallaght. Begads, we’ll rob every house between here and Abbey Street
August 17, 2004 at 1:03 am #743015
any definite date for the tallaght line yet ? its looking like some time in september ??
August 17, 2004 at 12:54 pm #743016bigjoeParticipant
sod all info on the luas.ie website.
August 17, 2004 at 8:30 pm #743017
Frequency of testing seems to be extended and more frequent now, and also the kiosks and shelters seem to be largely in place now also
August 18, 2004 at 9:54 am #743018
I wish they would put more vending machines at Luas Stops.
August 26, 2004 at 4:42 pm #743019urbanistoParticipant
Will the Red Line be ready for 30 August? Unlikely I should think. Most of the stops in the City Centre remain to be completed.
Heuston Plaza will look great when all the works are done. Lots of complementary planting of trees as well and a smart new contemporary look. However I think Abbey St has been a missed opportunity. Its getting a bit by bit paving job but it looks so starka nd plain and drab. Seeing as the Luas is taking so much of the trafffic off the street I would have thought tree planting and a better choice of street furniture would have been in order. A boulevard connecting soon to be revamped Capel St, with O’Connell Street and an improved Beresford Place and Busaras. Seems more like a case of get it done and get out of here.
August 26, 2004 at 4:46 pm #743020
September 29th is the new provisional date for Red Line, though it would be nice to have it a week earlier for Car-Free day . . .
August 26, 2004 at 6:13 pm #743021kefuParticipant
There’s an interesting article about the Luas line and dereliction in Dublin 7 on Indymedia. I don’t agree with most of the sentiments and there’s the usual crap about squatters. However, there are some good photographs, which are impossible to argue with.
August 27, 2004 at 2:53 pm #743022
HaHa: The economic illiteracy at IndyMedia is hilarious, as is their belief that anyone who owns a second house is “ruling class”. That would make my barber ruling class, since he owns 2 houses – and rents one, or so he said last weekend. He just got lucky on the capital appreciation from when he bought the first house.
A “marxist” philosophy that pits lumpen squatters against working class people with two houses bought with mortgages is probably not going to get the critical mass of “proletarian” support they think – quite the opposite.
( I should point out that I am in the renting sector myself)
August 27, 2004 at 2:57 pm #743023Rory WParticipant
That’s the first time I’ve seen Indymedia’s site. It’s quite possibly the most “right on” site I’ve ever seen – LOL at the hey kids lets turn the old butchers shop into a vegetarian drop in centre!!!
Reasons for Benburb street’s dereliction problem – Drugs & Whores hopefully the Luas line’s opening will allow this area to be reborn. Most problem areas go through the dereliction/blocking up process before coming out the other side. Give it time….
August 27, 2004 at 4:26 pm #743024d_d_dallasParticipant
Groan… that article.
I used to live in that area.
Other than that – all those derelcit buildings? Well now – let’s turn the tourist agency into an “info shop” cos you know that will be financially self sustaining and keep the shop open! Commerce dictates the viability of a “high street”.
These abandoned premises were trying to operate in a very dodgy area – not gonna attract many shoppers!!!
The owners are probably also waiting for a squatter to “accidentally” set a fire and gee darn the buildings will have to be demolished and redeveloped along the lines of the fine examples of built environment around the corner on Arran Qy.
But they wouldn’t do that if commercial rental income was high now would they?!?
August 27, 2004 at 4:59 pm #743025chewyParticipant
and the reason for “Drugs & Whores” ?
so who’s worse the owner who sets the building on fire or a squatter who lives in it?
August 27, 2004 at 5:18 pm #743026d_d_dallasParticipant
depends if the squatter’s in there when he sets fire to it…
August 30, 2004 at 9:44 am #743027
The Sunday Tribune reported (29/08/04) that on the Luas line from Connolly to Tallaght the trams were taking up to one hour to complete the journey and were failing to reach the target time of 42 minutes.
August 30, 2004 at 4:56 pm #743028Rory WParticipant
and the reason for “Drugs & Whores” ?
Beside’s that it’s the oldest trade in the world (whoring not drugs but the usually follow each other) they’ve pretty much always been in benburb street (you can blame the brits for building the biggest army barracks in Dublin there if you’re that way inclined) but they have always traded from around that area.
B’god ’tis almost a Dublin tradition…
August 30, 2004 at 8:35 pm #743029J. SeerskiParticipant
I have to ask who runs Platform 11? Who is behind it? This is the same crowd that is against the Western Rail Corridor as it would be ‘unviable’ – a bit of an odd remark considering that rail/public transport by its nature is usually unprofitble. The problem about public transport in Ireland is its lack of integration – no more highlighted than the fact that almost all journeys between cities are via Dublin or ridiculously close to dublin.
The Luas is another disaster. Fine they look nice and shiny, but they are a failure. If there was just one line it could be excused, but having two lines that are disjointed is absurd. Furthermore, those lines being biased towards the southside smacks of pure prejudice or downright ignorance of dublins traffic crisis. Why on earth are traffic problems northbound not as urgent as those on the southside.
The interconnector is a good idea but it appears again to be biased in favour of southside commercial interests. Lets have proper balance in the development of Dublin’s public transport, regarding all commercial and public interests.
August 30, 2004 at 8:45 pm #743030
Originally posted by J. Seerski
I have to ask who runs Platform 11?
Originally published by Platform 11
Ireland’s National Rail Transport and Development Lobby
Contact Phone Number: 086-345-2651
5, Cascade Park
From what I understand they were formed at a public meeting in the bankers club on Stephens Green in January 2003, initially to lobby for better facilities at Hueston Station, this led to the call for the Phoenix Park tunnel to be reopened to passenger trains. They then came up with the ‘interconnector’ proposal or backed Iarnrod Eirrean if they devised a similar one.
I’m not so sure that the interconnctor favours the South Side at the expense of the Northside, as the North City has the Luas and Drumcoundra line, large areas of the South Inner City have Nothing connected to the Dart System. Particularly Stephens Green and the un-integrated Luas, also Christchurch/Dame St
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