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- September 25, 2003 at 10:44 am #735629
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Inactivei think that this article displays the rift i would see between those architects who really care about their designs and those who are content to just build whatever the client wants.
and there is nothing wrong with either the world needs both types.call it idealists versus pragmatists.
i would applaud bulchoz mcevoy and heneghan peng for their dedication to their profession and their designs. they primarily worked on competitions rather than chasing clients. far from wanting to live in a “safe” world of paper architecture as soon as they got the chance to build some of their designs they showed dedicateion in uprooting themselves and following the oportunities at any cost. now, i wouldnt say im alone in considering heneghan peng as the most promising exponents of architecture in this country for some years.
both of these examples of good irish offices along with O’Donnel Tuomey,Grafton Architects, Mc Coulough Mulvin, De Blacam Meagher etc etc. are all contributers to building material and by that very fact, display their interest in theory.
i would also like to say that i completely agree with the issue of competitions as being vital to an architects development. they are the only way in which the vast majority of us can do the kind of work we did in college(and keep ourselves sharp). i think they also display an undeniable interest in architecture as theory aswell as pure construction
September 25, 2003 at 1:11 pm #735630garethace
ParticipantStill think you are showing a little bit too much disregard for meaningful inputs of clients in the design process. I mean, a lot of good architects, took it on board themselves to develop a really good productive relationship with clients. Competitions exclude you from all of that. I know that competitions are good for young Architects, trying to build something. But having won a decent competition, would it not be nice to do a job, where you got to know the client a bit better? I mean, a really good client? Suppose for instance Paul Clerkin, had loads of money made from designing web sites in a couple of years time, and wanted to build a nice new office/practice for himself? What kind of architects generally snap up clients like that? Is it the McCullough Mulvins, or the O’Donnell and Tuomeys – or is it the Anthony Reidys. Do good clients find themselves working with unsuitable – business-oriented Architects, and make the mistake of not employing the services of O’Donnell and Tuomey sometimes? I suspect the answer is yes – you cannot get O’Donnell and Tuomey treatment from certain types of practices out there.
I worked for a very business-like firm, where a lot of young 40 something Architects in their prime, felt their skills were being wasted. However commitments to family, mortage etc, meant they were stuck where they were. Now and again, a good client would pass through with a nice job/design problem. Or we might even do a competition – WOW! But ultimately, the process felt very fractured – you never felt you got into the groove of thinking laterally enough, before it was back to the old same-o business-like work again.
Sad.
I think individual young Architects like Bucholtz McEvoy are a bit like this account of warfare: Vietnam War, Guerrilla tactics: use your weaknesses against the enemy. The enemy is larger but also slower. You are small but more mobile. You rob, steal and capture what you can, so the enemy provides you with equipment. The Americans finished up supplying the enemy with tools to destroy them. You are growing stronger as the Americans grew weaker.
(Enemy of the State starring Gene Hackman and Will Smith)
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 25, 2003 at 1:24 pm #735631Anonymous
Inactivegood point on interaction with clients, but i would still say competitions are the way to go, they are often run by clients who are more open and interested in design rather than bang for their buck.
this http://www.ribajournal.com/story.asp?storyType=7§ioncode=3&storyCode=1021062 might be an interesting link for you garethaceSeptember 25, 2003 at 4:03 pm #735632garethace
ParticipantThe part about Governments as the largest procurers of built projects in Great Britian was the part I zoned in on, as much as doing nice jobs for nice clients.
This Smart Growth debate here is probably important too, since it is very difficult for an Architect to define what is a client, at a Master Planning scale. Plus the fact, that those projects drag on for generations, not like the normal neat, Architect/Client relationship often assumed for small houses, or buildings. In fact, some of the dismal master planning around our cities may be a direct result of Architect’s inability to define problems this large, or to comprehend ‘the client’ on this large stage, which plays on for generations.
More People, Less Land Spark New Planning Direction
Building for Our Commonwealth (Editorial)
Committed Foundations: Smart Growth’s Ace in the Hole
A lot of the recent U2 competition controversy, I think distracted people from the timescale in which the whole DDDA thing happened in. I have a very plush document, done by McInery Construction and Murray O’Laoire, which dates back to the eighties or nineties! To look at that brochure, you would think it was practically ready for building in the early 1990s. I was in the DDDA building one day, back in 1997, and was chatting to a security person there, who produced the document. He said, I found this lying around, it is the last one for sure!
Brian O’ Hanlon.
P.S. I worked on a Belfast Master Plan with MOLA in 1999, and the due limited edition glossy publication was made. But like most of the DDDA stuff is to be found at http://www.stw.ie/ nowadays, I think that Belfast scheme might be the same. So you can see how the Architect, isn’t always remaining at the end of larger, ambitious schemes even. The client, contractor, developer, Architect, consultants can all ‘just come and go’.
I am particularly interested in how Information Technology can deal with this issue.
You mention competitions – say take the Bibliotheque de Paris won by the unknown Perrault fellow. I have seen schemes by Richard Meier, Bernard Tschumi, Mario Botta, James Stirling… a lot of bit names. And all of those Architects do talk about their entries for those competitions with enormous affection. As if those projects, were important for them as Architects. I know that Meier was annoyed at being eliminated from the last 3 I think, in the Paris Bibliotheque competition, and perhaps with some reason too.
September 25, 2003 at 6:52 pm #735633garethace
ParticipantWant to scare your client? Some very modern interpretations of competitions here What?
Swanky Computer generated stuff
I remember I got the kansai competitions and yokohama competitions as study sheets in Bolton Street! I imagine this guy does realise alot more though.
Never heard of him in Bolton Street though. Just not cool enough? 🙂 But I suspect, a lot of recent BM Materials is attempting to deal with problems defined at this ‘u-mungous’ scale. Ballymun is interesting, maybe. Docklands yeah, a bit.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 26, 2003 at 11:27 am #735634Anonymous
Inactivei have to admit to having quite the fetish for hyper-complex graphics such as reiser + umemoto and foreign office (http://www.f-o-a.net) stuff. but not to taint my argument, this is purely a visual preference.
some of the writings on these firms are amongst the most confusing and complex (wanky?) in architecture today. it does take lots of re-reading to understand properly but i personally feel that spending this time is worthwhile to understand the ideas involved. not to try and recreate them in anyway, but just to be aware of these strands emerging in architecture and to keep your mind at a level where it might be able to innovate rather than simply produce.it keeps you on your toes!
September 26, 2003 at 2:01 pm #735635garethace
ParticipantThe whole Archinect thing though, was a nice idea for exchange of ideas – but seems to have developed into a Sci-Arc versus Columbia turf war these days. Oh well!
GL Form and all of that, I would rather learn about Architecture at ground level
Brian O’ Hanlon.
P.S. I am still turning over this statement in my head, and am just wondering if the people representing the use of computeristation and Architecture are really putting forward as bad an image as this one very intelligent poster at Archiseek seems to have gotten stuck with:
In one of your earlier posts you mentioned possiblity of thinking computers but perhaps we should be reminded that this is not the case yet- computers and they’re programs are created by us, written and informed by humanity. Every project developed in this way is coloured by someone elses preconceived notions. So my objection to complete computer design is that intrinsicaly it must breed homogeneity.
I mean, cast your mind back to Post Modernism, and all the other -isms in Architecture. And how the parrots of these ‘-isms’ always managed to spoil the original good the movement or thinking had to offer. You have made an intelligent point several times, about not swallowing things whole, about following up on strands happening around you, but not imitating them. Isn’t it really the slavish imitators who have arisen as ‘spokes-people’ for computers in Architecture. Isn’t it this people who have spoilt it as a movement for all of us?
I am very much reminded of a student in Bolton Street who decided to do his research topic about ‘writing algorithms to design architecture’. I mean that is the kind of opportunities that more conservative tutors standing upon some high moral ground love, to prove how useless computerisation actually is to the profession. Based purely on a very amateur and limited discussion of computers and architecture.
Your opinions on this would be valued.
September 26, 2003 at 4:42 pm #735636Anonymous
Inactiveim not sure i would be completely confident making a comment on the exerpt above since i dont know what context it was written in. however, my instinct would be to agree with it as a wide sweeping comment. computers should never (and i dont think ever will) be, expected to wholly take on any task of design or intelligent creation.
as far as i understand it, this so-called intelligent technology which is being developed is only “intelligent” in the sense that it can learn to do things it is taught. you can only teach someone something in the real sense of the word if the desired result is pre-defined. architecture,art etc do not have pre-defined goals (otherwise whats the point in having architects or artists). the design process is a fabulously complex and subtle process, which is trully out of the scope of any artificial intelligence.
there seems to be two types of architects who rely heavily on computers to realise their work: on the one hand you have firms such as FOA and Reiser+Umemoto who use the computer as a tool to bring their complex ideas past the stage of the conceptual into a more tangible, buildable reality. on the other you have the greg lynns and to a lesser extent asyptotes of theis world who are chasing the computer down a rabbit hole. (however we may see some useful benefits from this research in the future so i wont be dismissive of it)
i see nothing wrong with using computers as a tool, to whatever extent, to realise architecture. however a problem arises when someone suggests that a computer could take the driving seat in the creation of a work of architecture. as your exerpt suggests in its extreme case this would lead to (some sort) of homogenaity (although not complete as the combinations of permatations which could decide the finished product are infinite).
sorry, this is getting a bit drawn out.
im all for computers being used as a realisation tool once the architect remains aware and intelligent enough to be clear in his goals and not “loose the plot” so to speakSeptember 26, 2003 at 5:41 pm #735637garethace
ParticipantInteresting reply, but I would like to refer to Tom Mayne’s lecture here in Dublin back in 1995, when he complained about having been ‘bunched in with the Coop Himmelblau’s’ by the same guys who write the glossy, expensive Dummies guides to De-Constructivism. The same ones that became so dog-earred, torn and grotty looking in many a college library around this globe. He also complained about he offering to give journalists/writers a guided tour of the Crawford house, they would all refuse point blank and just thank him for the permission to write about his architecture. As he said, ‘I have no idea what they are writing about’.
I have always been interested in models, be it cardboard, wood, CG whatever. And find it difficult now, being ‘lumped in’ with so many other (possibly very talented) GL Form Architects. Even though, GL Form, is far from the way that I personally discovered the computer.
Whenever I indicate I am interested in computers and Architecture, everyone automatically assumes they can confront me directly on the same theoretical ground as people like Greg Lynn. Peoples’ knee gerk reaction is simply to pigeon hole me into the same place as Asymitote. When I say I like Frank Gehry, they jump to the conclusion – curvy, computer generated form. I discovered Gehry after a long period of looking at Kahn, and noticed that Gehry isn’t afraid to be ambitious with openings to natural light – same as Kahn. Nothing to do with Gehry and computerisation.
Can one appreciate an architect who works with computers, just for the Architecture and leave the process out of it? No, not in this instance. Computerisation is just like an order Architectural Critics intellectual construct – like Decon, Po-Mo, Ec-Co . . . sounds like rolly toys doesn’t it? Architectural critics love creating glossy concepts, for the decade and then dragging all that through the muck. Tutors in colleges behave very similarly, since they spend so much time reading AR. Here is my best recollection of getting into computers,
In summer 1998, I told my auntie, I said Auntie, I cannot use a computer. She said, Brian, that’s silly, can’t you even use Windows? To which I replied, (aged 23) ‘What’s Windows?’ Having already done 6 six years of third level, by then.
Anyhow, I am more interested in the Architecture of Frank Gehry from a perceptual point of view, even though, I know loads about CATIA and his process etc. I have made some observations of an early Holl building, which explains my respect for Architectural perception. Have you seen the updated Steven Holl web site btw, check it out if not. You will not be disappointed by the new content, but the great watercolours seem to be gone now.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 27, 2003 at 12:51 am #735638James
ParticipantWhat! has made a couple of very interesting points here that are worth discussing.
Regarding Computers – my own view is that as a tool leading to a built end they are hugely useful, particularly if you think about the simplification that CAD drawing processes allow for in terms of copying, editing, layering etc.
A lot is written however about the visualisation by computer of unbuilt architecture – I think its a mistake to get too hung up on this as its more of a presentational ‘mode’ (and actually quite a limited one) – for example – All our drawing is done on computer. We insist on conceptuals being done in 3d hand drawn sketch form though, and often will draw perspectives freehand as clients seem to feel more familiarity and comfort with a hand drawn perspective.
CAD perspectives (I feel) do a bad selling job – often they’re so ‘realistic’ in the virtual sense, that their impact and cleverness falls flat and can even seem facile to the lay person. In contrast I have always made a point of drawing a view perspective in front of a client for presentations – sometimes upside down when facing them across a table.
The impact of this is enormous – the client feels that because the person across the table – the ‘architect’ can do so easily something that they feel would be impossible for them, their confidence in the architects ability is enormously increased. We have quite literally ‘clinched’ some big jobs on the basis of that one simple act.
Whats other point – that art or architecture cannot be ‘predifined’ is something that I have more difficulty with. For most of the last thousand years or so thats exactly what both were – the results of largely predefined processes in which the skill lay in very subtle shades of accentuation: For example, look at the number of ‘Davids’, Pieta’s, Pallazo Farnese’s or Palladian Villas – huge numbers of each were produced by a variety of artists and architects some good, a few dreadful and may ‘workmanlike’ (I quite value workmanlike so don’t slag it off). All were more or less identical in terms of critical elements, broad appearance and layout yet the end result from these predetermined forms were quite different from one another.
You read a lot on this forum about architects building ‘boxes’ – pretty much a predetermined form, however some of these boxes are extroardinary, some are execrable.
In many ways predetermination is a virtue.I t takes the hard and sometimes pointless (re-inventing the wheel) work out of conceptualisation and focusses effort upon the real business of detailing, spatial juxtaposition and the always ephemeral ‘quality’ .
For example – I’m convinced it would be possible and perhaps interesting to make great architecture out of such a predetermined form as the semi detached, tile pitched house – of course it would take an enormous amount of effort – that was really the great strength of Grainne Hassetts Coill Dubh Credit Union – taking teh 70’s bungalow, turning it on its head and making it into a recognisably desirable architectural model.
I like this approach – it assumes that nothing is absolutely worthless – I would be a big critic of Tom Power but that has been one of his strengths – looking for the magical in the ordinary.
Its interesting to look at things in this way – I feel that we take the need to be ‘different’ and modern as too much of an imperative in architecture .There are other perhaps more significant and important things.
September 27, 2003 at 1:45 pm #735639garethace
ParticipantCAD perspectives (I feel) do a bad selling job – often they’re so ‘realistic’ in the virtual sense, that their impact and cleverness falls flat and can even seem facile to the lay person.
I definetly do not intend making bad perspectives, if I know I can use a tool which cuts through the donkey work faster and better than anything I can do. I also believe that using computers to visualise Architecture has helped me to see the world around me, more clearly, to see Architecture, and therefore to improve my ability to draw it freehand if I wish. As with any good draughts person, it is more important what you do not draw, the parts of the paper you leave blank, as the lines you do make. Seeing Architecture through computer visualisation, has helped me to develop economy in my sketching, and be happy with a sketch sooner, rather than working it for hours, in a vain effort to make it deeply personal and deeply artistic in its own right. As someone who comes from an Artistic sketching background myself, a sketch is always a creation of love and care, like a poem, it becomes an end in itself. That is why I chose to stop sketching Architecture, and turn to something as artificial as a computer instead.
I envy those people doing architecture today, who never developed an emotional bond with the act of drawing – because it allows them to use sketching to design, rather than to express emotions through the strength of a line, the quiver of a wrist movement or the whites of the page, you did not touch. I tend to enjoy making very ‘expressionistic, emotional, El Greco’ types of representations of Architecture, which isn’t about dealing with clients, but about producing Art. I hate it when people reject, my sketches of Architecture, because to me, personally it feels like they have no respect for my Art!
Neil Downes once told a story about the famous Neo-Impressionist Painter Cezanne, reputed by many art critics to be the ‘father of Cubism’. How Cezanne was so sensitive about what he painted. If someone said it wasn’t good he would get mad, and want to know why. If someone, said it was a good painter he would say, “So you didn’t think I could paint like that eh!” 🙂
I love computers, because at least someone else wrote the computer software that produced the image, therefore I am not attached emotionally to it. Therefore I can adjust the design, recover from bad criticism of an image or visual, and in the end, produce a better design for my client, and for myself as an Architect. I was sketching like an adult when I was barely a teenager – I grew up with that ability, like other teenagers grow up with U2 or Nirvana. When I hear this:
In one of your earlier posts you mentioned possiblity of thinking computers but perhaps we should be reminded that this is not the case yet- computers and they’re programs are created by us, written and informed by humanity. Every project developed in this way is coloured by someone elses preconceived notions. So my objection to complete computer design is that intrinsicaly it must breed homogeneity.
I know that person was like most of the young people I did Architecture with in Bolton Street. Who never actually handled a pencil, or discovered the power of it, until they were in first year of an Architectural degree course! When ever I draw to this day, I become nervous, and my palms become wet – everything I am goes into the expression of the drawing, and hours fade away like they were seconds. So clearly sketching is not an option for me designing Architecture – to remain objective. That is why I hate Bolton Street’s insistence that I need to sketch rather than using a computer to design.
Because for me, sketching is like plugging directly into a high voltage power line, when all I require is a few amps out of a socket in the wall! Electric guitar filling a stadium with mega-watts of sound, as oposed to an acoustic guitar filling a room full of melody. Why do people assume a pencil, is always like the acoustic guitar? For me it is the electric guitar, and the computer is more like an acoustic guitar!
This Article of mine, attempts to show what computers could offer the profession. But taking a tool like a computer and sitting in front of it constantly is no help. Architect’s such as Tschumi, Holl, Mayne have brought it forward somewhat I believe. Since their theoretical foundations are based on how we see/experience the world around us, using such an artificial means to design it, isn’t such a big draw back. However, digging deep into the phenomenonological way of designing architecture, is theoretical and harder work than most people are prepared to do, in order ‘to design’.
I have spent a long, long time dealing with Architecture from the phenomenonological perspective, and I find the approach taken by Francis D.K. Ching, is far deeper and more complex, than his hand drawn sketching style would first tend to suggest. In fact, Francis D.K. Ching is often the ‘Basic Architectural design guide’ using by 17-year-old students years ago like myself. But the theoretical bedrock of Ching’s approach is to be found deep within the phenomenonological theory of design. Ching just added some pictures and made something very complex ‘appear simple’. Which is not in fact the case here.
All were more or less identical in terms of critical elements, broad appearance and layout yet the end result from these predetermined forms were quite different from one another.
Be very careful here, as I discussed in this thread people related to the world around them very differently in the old days. It was pedestrian transport generally, or horses which could navigate the narrow medieval ramps and streets. Look at some of the knight’s templar complex’s, which are wonderful piece of architecture to experience, but were the equivalent of a US airbase, and munitions store for a Desert Storm today.
Nowadays, peoples’ only relationship with space is either by (1)Cars or (2)Movies or (3)Internet. It is nice to think of the Washington monument ‘out there’ or Mogadisu (Black Hawk Down) ‘out there’ as places were great movie battles happen. Or the fantasy world’s created by Steven Spielberg in the movie AI. But as Tschumi rightly pointed out, Cinema did have a huge impact upon our perception of space and time. Le Corbusier, introduced things equivalent to medieval narrow ramped streets into his slab buildings. So does Meier and Holl nowadays. Louis Kahn worked hard to introduce back elements of the Knight’s templar kind of ancient Architecture back into modernism. Materials like stone, natural daylighting, a feeling of history and time.
In many ways predetermination is a virtue.I t takes the hard and sometimes pointless (re-inventing the wheel) work out of conceptualisation and focusses effort upon the real business of detailing, spatial juxtaposition and the always ephemeral ‘quality’ .
For example – I’m convinced it would be possible and perhaps interesting to make great architecture out of such a predetermined form as the semi detached, tile pitched house – of course it would take an enormous amount of effort – that was really the great strength of Grainne Hassetts Coill Dubh Credit Union – taking teh 70’s bungalow, turning it on its head and making it into a recognisably desirable architectural model.
Now you are really sucking diesel James. But you see Ching’s own approach was to look at simple spaces, simple architecture and analyse the conditions that made it exceptional. Natural Light, colour, texture, shadows, proportions, openings, views, circulation… most young architects are not encouraged to define themselve adequately in relationship to all of that. Because it is exceptionally hard work. What are the qualities that might turn simple boxes, or even bungalows into really nice Architectural experiences. One has to know the rules very well first, in order to break them. A lot of Kahn’s houses can be described very simply from a formal point of view. But he managed to get so much return from light, views and openings, that the Architecture rises above itself completely. Not many Architects I know can just pull that off as convincingly.
This Article of mine, attempts to encourage myself and other Architects to study these ingredients better.
I would be a big critic of Tom Power but that has been one of his strengths – looking for the magical in the ordinary.
And Tom would say himself, he does know when the Architecture is baked, which would suggest he spent a large portion of his time, learning to use the correct ingredients. Arnie Williams is a guy who writes for Cadence magazine, and has some interesting things to say.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 27, 2003 at 2:24 pm #735640garethace
ParticipantThought you guys may enjoy this article:
Tom Mayne, Prince of Progressive Architecture
The Prince of paper architecture says:
The power of the school is that it exists and interacts every day with students and teachers, and an entire educational system. “Architecture can’t just be on paper,” Mayne says. “You have to build. That’s what makes us architects.”
But his old buddies in UCLA don’t like him ‘turning like this’.
“Spoken like a true betrayer of his kind,” replies Sylvia Lavin, chair of architecture at UCLA. “That just makes me want to kill Thom. You can print that–and I am a huge supporter of Thom and always have been.” She says that Mayne spent most of his career in a more academic context. “For him to then turn and call the group of which he was a member five minutes ago irrelevant because they haven’t attained his level of success is offensive,” she says. “What is it that is so alluring about the world of businessmen and money and international fame that requires somebody like Thom to abandon the roots and the structure–the academy and its conversations–that made it possible for him to do what he’s doing? Is architecture only determined by how many square feet the project is or by how big the budget is?”
But it looks as if the 58-year old Mayne, is now beginning to enjoy the relationship with his clients a lot more too:
Mayne’s biggest fan among his clients is, surprisingly, U.S. district judge Michael Hogan, the point man on the design for a federal courthouse in Eugene, Oregon, which will be finished in 2005. Hogan says he’s never met anyone like Mayne in his life. “I was not pleased about Thom’s selection,” he admits. “Any federal judge, their idea of a courthouse is the Supreme Court. I read descriptions of Thom like ‘the bad boy of L.A. architecture.'” Hogan, an evangelical Christian, says one of his first meetings with Mayne did not go well. “He said he was a loyal proponent of the extreme opposition to everything I believe in,” he says, adding that Mayne told him anyone with faith “is not sane. He did it with such enthusiasm and relish; he was needling and provoking.”
September 29, 2003 at 5:04 pm #735641garethace
ParticipantWith flashbacks to the Glenn Murcutt lecture in Bolton Street DIT last year, I read this very informative account of an evening lecture at Columbia University! 🙂
Taking pity, it would grant three wishes, one for each: a limitless supply of disposable logic for the idle generation of form (Lynn), a probe to uncloak the mysteries of taste (Zaha), and a path through geometry to the unspeakable name of God (Libeskind).
Come and sample the atmosphere, of the changing of the guard at Columbia University. Like some platonic shifting of subterranean earth masses, the tremors will be felt in Ireland I am sure.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 30, 2003 at 12:14 pm #735642Anonymous
InactiveThanks for the article links garethace, interesting stuff,
i’d just like to clarify myself in relation to replys (mostly james’s) to my last post. when i said that architecture never has a pre-determined answer i didnt mean always in the grander scale of things. i am not some naieve little deconstructivist junkie who thinks the only good things are the radically new and explorative. as james rightly pointed out, subtleties and sophistication in design can be just as powerful and more moving than in-your-face formal gymnastics. however, the strength that these small changes can bring just show to what level architecture is truly undetermined. what i was referring to is a mechanical (or digital) level of pre-determinance that would be enacted by computers should we give the designing power to them. vive la difference, to whatever extent. we dont always have to re-invent the wheel often it is not necessary, or desirable. but Paladio, Bruneleschi etc were innovators not immitators. i firmly believe our skill as architects lies in our intelligence, built on a balance of knowledge,experience, questioning and confidence.on the issue of computers being nothing more than a drafting/weak presentation tool, i would have to disagree with this one. (possibly depending on the formal complexity of the work) 3d modelling capabilities are invaluable during early design stages. spatialities, sequences, lighting, etc can be tested with quite a high level of accuracy which previously would only have been possible by building a costly large scale physical model. aswell as this, computer programmes are capable of instatly showing large structural/ economic/ energy use implications of design changes. there are a multitude of other uses for the computer in the early design process which we wont get into here.
as a presentation tool i would agree that many CG images are flat and unimaganitive looking. but i feel this is the fault of the creators of these images rather than the method used. i will assume however that your mind’s image of a CG presentation and mine are quite different, james. The difference in the level of sophistication in corporate, estate agent renders and some of the more thoughtful presentation methods using computers is vast. Garethace speaks of the weight of a line and quiver of a wrist, i would be so bold as to say that there are just as many (yet different) subtleties possible in a computer visualisation as in a hand drawing (im really going to get it for that one!)
anyway have to go now
September 30, 2003 at 1:03 pm #735643garethace
ParticipantThe singer/musician Paul Brady said in a documentary last night on RTE what?, that people like a song, particularly when they sense you have taken a risk to do it. The audience can likewise sense when you have decided not to take that risk, and it is obvious in the resception from the audience. So I guess Architecture has its audience too, everyday, and people sense when the composer has played things safe.
as a presentation tool i would agree that many CG images are flat and unimaganitive looking. but i feel this is the fault of the creators of these images rather than the method used.
Zaha Hadid and Tom Mayne, have chosen to use computers as a tool yes. But you will notice, their computers images aren’t really 100% finished, commercially saleable images. To waste ones time producing good images is a waste of time. I don’t actually agree with showing Computer generated high quality stuff to clients. Even though I theoretised on this a lot. I would much prefer to see Architects using bland, flat looking computer models to investigate the geometry, construction and detailing of buildings amongst other architects, technicians and structural engineers.
There is a good article here, on how watercolours are still used in preference over computers, to visualise things like glass skyscrapers in the States, where the light and atmoshphere is constantly changing. Meaning that a freeze-frame computer generated still, will always fail. Hertzog and De Meuron always use a certain photographer, who digitally alters his images, to capture a little bit of that changing quality of their building’s skins at night, rainy weather etc.
Steven Holls web site, has quite a few computer generated images, which aren’t inch-perfect, but say something about the Architecture. Likewise the OMAs etc, are working in digital, and hand-drawn/digital hybrids. There are some nice hybrids here too, using sketch up software.
Often the computer model is cheaper, and quicker as you have said. But also, having made a really nice physical model of a building you cannot just rip it up again, without going to a serious amount of trouble, expense and time, which you simply don’t have. With computers, it is sometimes just possible to produce things, by the shere fact alone, it is so easy to edit a wall or opening or position of a door or column. We as a profession are still thinking in terms of physical cardboard models, and haven’t gotten used to the flexibility of digital modelling as yet.
Eamon O’ Doherty used always say in Bolton Street, use butter paper, it costs you nothing. If it isn’t right, crumple it up and throw it in the bin. That is the kind of attitude that needs to be cultivated with computer models – not the current ‘precious’ attitude that has filtered down from commercial visualisation, who regularly charge thousand per one good A3 image. Sure the Architects images might not be presentation material, but the would be cheap, easy and edit-able, or rubbish-able. Allowing the Architect to probe, and solve problems, not to set them in stone.
I don’t like that attitude, that everytime I sit down in front of a highend desktop system, with a sophisticated solid modeller like Z or VIZ, that my sole object is to produce a saleable ‘WOW’ image. Unfortunately that is how computer modelling is used now, and it is very similar to the old Butter Paper/Tracing Paper and Ink argument.
Most older architects, who aren’t familiar with computerisation do not understand that computer models are easy to change. And therefore are extremely reluctant to use computer modeling as a tool to generate, edit and change models on the fly. They think it would be just far too time and technically demanding for the limited word processing skills of their CAD using Architects. Another thing is having the raw computing power on your desk, and a stable system/software too. My learning to see essay does outline some of the demands placed upon an Architect using a computer to design today. Just like supercomputers are used to crack the great mathematical problems today, require a good formula to be written in the form of a program. The solving of Architectural problems via a computer requires the Architect to input information, based upon real world phenomena. While the computer is a way to visualize the world more realistically, it also requires us to observe the world more clearly too.
Architects who aren’t qualified enough with computers to pass any judgements, or suggest their proper usage, include most Architects from the age of 30 upwards, and all the ones who read Foreign Office Arch websites and Greg Lynn. There is nothing worse than good architects who can design brilliantly, and feel that gives them the right to talk as if they knew something about computers – leave computers to computer geeks like me, and the younger generations growing up. Watching 40 something well-educated, open minded, skilled Architects trying to sound computer-savy, is like seeing your Dad turn up to the rave party. And perhaps, if I ever learn enough about design, I can share with you all, how Architects could use computers. You need to spend a long time, not doing Architecture at all, and just doing computer modelling, to properly learn what a computer is and does. But Architects don’t have that opportunity – they need to look back in 10 years time on what they built/designed.
By far the most computer-advanced architectural practice in the world, Frank Gehry makes thousands of little study physical models on every project. And just photographs them every day, so that if the design team loses their way, they just track back through the archives of model photography, to find where they lost the design a bit. With computer models, dating and archiving of models should be done too. With Architectural technicians doing most of the computer modelling in practice nowadays, the architectural technicians don’t even hold onto a week old version of a digital model – they constantly edit and change the same model – and end up with ‘one file’.
The discussion here is all around these topics. I find it telling that in the 1960s, an engineer at Intel predicted something called Moore’s Law: That transistor counts and therefore computing muscle also would double every one and a half years. While this law has held true ever since the 1960s, Architectural projects move at a far slower pace altogether.
Personally I found it much easier to remain objective about design problems by using a computer. Because I understood computer models to be designed to be edited and changed. And therefore not really precious and ‘once-off’ like a physical model can be. It is hardly the fault of computer Architectural design advocates like myself, that computers are used precisely for the kind of highly-ray-traced images we are seeing now. I can take my computer model and delete half of it, like editing a word document, or cut it in half in seconds. Surely that must count for something?
I can also save several different versions of a design in computer model format, which would be difficult to do using physical models in most architectural practices in Ireland. But definetly, the disadvantage of the computer model, in giving you the ability to see the reality of a building, is having to observe reality more closely as a result. Learning to see.
Brian O’ Hanlon.
September 30, 2003 at 3:29 pm #735644garethace
ParticipantLow profile buildings are something I always found hard to tackle, but using computers this particular French Architect, brought his original very naive and paper architecture looking sketches up to something more buildable. I mean, that Travelling Scholarship to design an Olympic Swimming Pool down in the Docklands a few years ago, for instance was a nightmare to conceptualise using physical models and drawings alone. And the design problem, represents a really useful way to make use of a computer, in my very humble opinion. Most younger firms and individuals would be totally excluded from competitions, based on the costs of doing good physical models of things like this. The Calatravas and Pianos with their expert workshop model builders would command a huge advantage. At least the computer allows smaller guys a chance in large competitions like this. I mean, you can always do a couple of digital models first, and then commission a final physical model at the end, if you are confident that your design has reached that stage. Calatrava of course, can afford to commission a fabulous physical model and then start to redesign the whole scheme again! 🙂
Brian O’ Hanlon.
Here is that French Architects visualisation in computers.
Plan 1
Structure 2
sectional model 1
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