A Nation at War with its Capital City?

I simply cannot imaging anyone proudly announcing that they associated “country accents”, for example, with backwardness, xenophobia, priest-riden religosity, sexual repression, kiddy fiddling, drink-driving, political strokism, illegal rubbish dumps, etc. yet asdasd is seemingly proud to express similar prejudices against those with a Dublin accent

Yet, you just did while pretending not to. Hilarious.

The whole point of this thread is to blame ” The Culchies” for Dublin’s failure to work as a city. It is a bigoted thread which is why I am bigoted in return.

Dev may have talked the talk of ruralism and Gaelic revivalism, but he did not walk the walk. If he had done he may had relocated the capital elsewhere like Germany did with Bonn, Canada with Ottawa , Australia with Canberra, the US with Washington etc. ( preferably the Gaeltacht were he serious) – and – had he done so – Dublin would have gone into serial decline since it is basically an administrative centre will little entrepreneurial talent besides that which is imported via the IDA, or other nationally subsided imported capitalism like the IFSC.

SO much for the anti-Urban bias. To correct a point.

Absolutely. But perhaps the prevailing anti-urban cultural landscape allowed them to do this? They did not go down to Kerry and Mayo and knock farm buildings the way TDs from Donegal went up to Dublin and demolished part of Fitzwilliam Street.

The raging culchies knocked down Fitwillain street did they. According to this very site
“Fitzwilliam Street once the longest expanse of intact Georgian architecture anywhere in the world was destroyed in the 1970s when the ESB a supposedly responsible semi-state body wantonly demolished twelve of the houses.”

So it seems that the claim that it was Donegal TD’s ( who – lets reiterate – are running Ireland, not Dublin – I really have to come back to that point) seems ludicrous. I suspect a Dublin yobbo at the helm of the ESB at the time – and it seems that the site was once owned by the Dublin Corporation, the most Corrupt in the Western World.

Now, the only way that the EVIL CULCHIE TD’s could in fact be – in any way or form – responsible for the destruction of Dublin is due to the very centralization of the State and the concentration of it’s myriad functionality in Dublin, the very thing that makes you believe that TD’s are elected to run Dublin. Had we moved all the semi-States, civil-servants, national parks, libraries, and museums; and the supreme court, and high court; the IFSC and so on to Athlone, then Dublin would be free to bask in the faded glory of Fitzwilliam street, I am sure; although I am not so sure that Dubliners would really have ran their arcadia so well without the massive subsidy which ensues from being the national centre and the (subsidised) financial centre – nor, given that most of the destruction of Dublin was caused by the local government, not the National government, rezoning, brown bags et al that FitzWilliam Street would have survived a decade.

That said, had the national government moved there, the citizens of Athlone may be complaining about anti-Urban bias, a nation at was with it’s central city, and how Dublin TD’s are just – well, just – ruining the place.

Jesus wept.

If it was – which it isn’t, it is at it’s worst by far in Dublin (and this runs throughout the populace – tradesment are more corrupt than Cork, Waterford etc.) – it would not be relevant to by argument which is that Dublin’s curruption is Dublin’s fault,and particularly the fault of the Dublin bred corporation.
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asdasd – you are a cretin and your views of all Dubliners as endemically corrupt are pathetic and bigoted. Your view that all corruption stems from Dublin is as parochial and backward as you can get – I doubt Joe Duffy would let you on liveline with your frankly bizarre opinions and worldview.

My point about the named corrupt politicos is that one of them was definitely not from Dublin and maybe the other two were 1st generation Dubs – who cares? We all know that they helped ruin Dublin and it doesn’t really matter where they came from. THEY DIDNT ONE DAY ARRIVE IN DUBLIN AND GET CORRUPTED BY THE EVIL CITY (yes I have to shout it out to you) but rather were on the make from the off like many politicians throughout the country.

I reccomend that you read local papers and the reports from ABP about dodgy land rezonings and suspicious planning permissions throughout Ireland and you may well discover that corruption is rife throughout Ireland. And tradesmen are dodgy throughout the world – not just in Dublin.

Can we have enough of your hysterical ranting now?

Maybe CutePanda’s thread could be renamed a nation at war with its cities, which would avoid this pro/anti Dulin debate, so that we can get back to the rural/urban divide that is a national concern?

Recommended reading for asdasd…………….https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?p=25646

(Anyone watch David McWilliams The Popes Children documentary series last night on RTE 1 dealing with the Celtic Tiger and how Irish society has drastically changed within the last few years. Good insight for the young kids today of how poor we were once both mentally and materially as a nation.)

Something I feel needs to be stressed in this whole debate is that people who live in rural areas now don’t live rural lives. Almost nothing they do is rural. They are living urban lives in rural areas; they are urbanising the countryside.

This is true in the case of the avalanche of one-off houses built in rural areas every year.

This says everything:

@Cute Panda wrote:

If the petrol stopped arriving at North Wall tomorrow, what’s “Plan B” for the one-offers in rural Ireland? Answer, there is none. They are completely screwed.

For the purposes of the rural / urban ‘divide’, I am not making any distinction between urban and suburban, as the one-off house builders reject both, but, yes, ‘suburbanisating of the countryside’ would be the more usually-heard term – the one which the IRDA et al go apeshit when they hear!

Well here’s a breakdown of a typical carbon footprint and, as you say Graham, there is more to it than private car transport. Interesting that the carbon required to manufacture cars is two thirds of the carbon used in running a car (annualised). Anyhow, its clear that reducing carbon usage requires action on many fronts and a lot of them point towards more local sourcing of goods.

There is merit to this suggestion. Given Dublin’s infrastructural deficit and the mass of people living there, it is obvious that the optimal location for a nuclear power plant would be somewhere in the Docklands region. Indeed, given the need for a high-rise landmark building in the city centre when Liberty Hall is finally pulled down, the Liberty Hall site might not be a bad place to locate such a reactor. Of course the bonus of all of this is that if there is an accident, the country’s population will automatically be halved, which would of course instantly reduce our national carbon footprint and, due to the migration of citizens to the countryside, help rebalance the nation’s demographics and revitalise the regional urban centres. In other words, it would be a form of environmentally sensitive decentralization. Cute Panda, you may inadvertently have proposed a suggestion which would end all of the nation’s woes and which would give Adi Roche a new project to work on closer to home.

Surely those people are just attempting to ensure that the countryside remains unspoilt and virginal for weekenders from the ‘big smoke’. Given the quality of engineering works in Dublin (the uncompleted M50, the dodgy rails of the LUAS, the leaks in the tunnel, and so on), I think it would be slightly alarming to many if a half-finished leaking concrete shell made of sub-standard materials was thrown up to house a nuclear reactor anywhere in this country, but if that is what Dublin wants, I am sure it thoroughly deserves it.

How exactly is Dublin the root of all evil in planning matters, decisions and construction in this Country? From what I can tell, it is the county councils in many counties OUTSIDE the the capital county which have been the consistent worst offenders when it comes to waste, bad planning, traffic problems and inadequate responses to the growth of ou country both economically and demographically over the past 10 to 15 years.

To support my point I give you the county councils of Meath, Kildare, Offaly and Wicklow who have all neglected to adequately meet the growth of our country, as evidenced by their disregard for creating school places, public transport, cycle lanes, communinty centres, football pitches, religious centres and other accoutrements of society and community for the blankets of bungalows and hundreds of housing estates which they have allowed blossom on former agricultural land.

Other examples of inept management, poor planning and almost total blindness to foresight is writ large in our regional capitals which make the problems and limitations in the capital seem desirable in comparison. For example, while Dublin has Bublin Bus, DART, Luas, Iarnr