December 31, 2012 at 11:08 pm #711560bjgParticipant
[attachment=0:2fbgbty8]Gauci steamer 1831_resize.jpg[/attachment:2fbgbty8]
This drawing of a steamer is from an 1831 book called Select Views of Lough Derg and the River Shannon by Paul Gauci. I haven’t seen the book myself, but this illustration is used in a couple of places, including Ruth Delany’s book The Shannon Navigation [The Lilliput Press Ltd, Dublin 2008]. Andrew Bowcock, in his article “Early iron ships on the River Shannon” in The Mariner’s Mirror Vol 92 No 3 August 2006, says of the steamer shown that
The funnel looks to be almost over the paddle shaft, which is artistic license.
But my question is not about the vessel but about the house in the background. If it is drawn without artistic licence, where is it?
It is a very large house, seven bays by three storeys, quite close to the water. Using the Historic 6″ Ordnance Survey map [~1840], I have followed the banks of the Shannon from Shannon Harbour down Lough Derg to Killaloe, then from Limerick down the estuary as far as Tarbert, across the estuary to Doonaha and back up on the Clare side to Limerick, then from Killaloe up the Clare and Galway shores back to Shannon Harbour. Anywhere I found a large house within what seemed the right distance of the shore, I looked it up in the Landed Estates Database and in the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage, with some supplementary googling.
I haven’t been able to find images of all the houses marked on the OSI map, but I found enough to show that houses of the size shown by Gauci were very rare. Within those few, I ruled out some (like Tervoe) because they didn’t seem to match Gauci’s drawing (although alterations could have accounted for that). I ended up with only one house that looked at all like Gauci’s, but the background may not match.
Can anyone identify the house? I won’t give my guess lest doing so focus the discussion unduly.
PS I have a larger version of the pic but I don’t know what the maximum allowable file size is.
January 2, 2013 at 1:09 am #817854AnonymousInactive
Tinarana House, on the Clare side of the south end of Lough Derg, would seem to have the right sort of topgraphy behind it, and width of river/lake in front, but it’s listed as a ‘Victorian mansion’ with a clumsy plan and there isn’t any talk of it having replaced an earlier house.
The entrance front of Tervoe would match pretty well, including the chimney arrangement, but as you say the setting doesn’t look hilly enough and anyway it’s the [six-bay] rear that faces the river apparently, not the [seven-bay] front.
It can’t be an earlier version of Glin Castle because Glin sits almost on the water.
I think we’re going to need more clues.
January 2, 2013 at 7:30 am #817855AnonymousInactive
Thanks, Gunter. I have an 1837 drawing of Tinarana, seen from the water, and it doesn’t look at all like the Gauci building: there’s a tiny version on my page here http://irishwaterwayshistory.com/abandoned-or-little-used-irish-waterways/the-lower-shannon/shannon-south/the-survey-of-lough-derg-1839/ about half way down. Someone suggested Ballyvalley, of which there is no decent pic on the web: it might have the right sort of background but doesn’t seem to be the right size or shape. I’ve found only one plain seven-bay three-storey house and that’s Tarbert, but I’m not sure if you could get enough hill into the background. bjg
January 2, 2013 at 2:44 pm #817856Paul ClerkinKeymaster
Would those seven bays be a side elevation and not the front?
January 2, 2013 at 2:51 pm #817852AnonymousInactive
They certainly could be, or even a rear: there may not be a door on that elevation. bjg
January 2, 2013 at 2:57 pm #817853Paul ClerkinKeymaster
Just thinking that those chimneys could have their “long” side parallel to a main front elevation, and that is a side, garden front, possibly with farmyard etc to the rear. Much like the arrangement at Hilton.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.