32-floor building planned for Dublin
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When luas work on first 2 lines finishes start building the next 2. Then when port tunnel finishes get the boring machines and do metro from airport to join luas lineB at Ranelagh. in the mean time work on Kildare line and later start electrifying Maynooth and Kildare so that when Interconnector is built DART goes from kildare to maynooth via Stephens Green, Docklands etc. Metro should be called DART in my opinion with same train liveries etc to avoid confusion of having so many systems. Then you would have DART, Luas and an outer suburban system.
Really though what DART stands for would make a good name for a city-wide transport system
I agree except for one small difference. I would start the inner city Metro First from
Spencer Dock
Pearse Station
Stephens Green
Christchurch
Heuston Station
Running a direct Spencer Dock to Airport Shuttle Bus via the extremely close port tunnel
with integrated ticketing you could buy your ticket in Kildare and only need to change from a train to a bus
I am making this point because as stated in the New Building in Tara Street thread, all systems in Dublin seem to work in a North- South direction.
By inserting a viable East-West Interconnector
it may have the capacity to change development patterns. It would also bring good links to places likeStephens Green
Christchurch
Spencer Dock that need better service
Yea thats good. I only chose the airport metro first because luas line B needs to link with line A as fast as possible. The idea of a free standing line is non sensical.
if they really wanted to invest get both port tunnel boring machines and do both tunnels at the same time 24/7. These proposed tunnels are not incredibly long so get the bloody finger out Bertie and Co..
Read the entire thread it is well covered unless the finer points are beyond you
If that’s directed at me, you can shove it up your arse. At least half of your comments on this thread have been nonsensical, and the one about “tractors and trailors (sic)” is the most nonsensical of them all.
This scheme was Announced by Who
Tom Parlon,
Former Career President IFA,
When I read comments like yours I really ask the question how do people like you graduate.
you could quite possibly lack the manners and or the understanding to get anything other than wall paper put up in this city.
Diaspora (and indeed everyone else) – no need to be so bloody personal. Let’s just debate the topic here rather than descending into mud slinging.
It’s all great for us to be making earnest suggestions regarding an integrated transport system – but with a certain Kildare man at the purse-strings it’s unlikely anything will ever happen. He knows not the difference between EXPENDITURE and INVESTMENT.
Cheers D-D,
I just hate being told to put things up my rectum.
It is true about McCreevy being a cautious man
but to be fair to him it would have been a lot easier to spend all around himself.I just hope as the global economy recovers he will loosen them again, the DOW at 10300 as we speak.
But I do believe he knows the price of Dis-Investment.
There is room under the streets and future budget surpluses a comin
I was talking with a senior member of the Georgian Brigade the other day and they are particularly peeved that they are held up as the scapegoats for the controversy surrounding the Millenium Wing.
It was in fact the Gallery’s fault for the difficulties, as they had offered the site and plans to the architects with the site of the townhouse as a ‘cleared site’ – it might as well have been a surface car-park.It was only when the plans and all the rest had to be changed to accomodate the house that they highlighted (IGS), that they were then blamed for the delays and destroying the design of the new wing etc
but with a certain Kildare man at the purse-strings it’s unlikely anything will ever happen. [/B]
and this is the whole thrust behind Platform11’s thinking.
Sure we would love to see the Platform for Change or something like it to complement a fully utilised rail network. The Interconnector is a great idea, but Platform11 believes that unless public transport has something to do with putting a saddle on it, Charlie McCreevy will never release the required funds to build it. Thus the compromise of the d-Connector.
It is not in McCreevy’s thinking, railways to him are an alien burden. Urban commuiting/living is totally alien to him and therefore knowing what he is and how this country operates (and it is most certainly not in the purest approch of the DOT’s PLatform for Change), then we have to accept that this is Ireland.
This is why we push the d-Connector, because it is do-able and there is a good chance it could be done and can be a decent integrated first step, instead of waiting 15 years for an Interconnect or Metro than may never be built. We need a solution sooner rather than MAYBE later.
Look at the National Spatial Strategy and then see how the like of Eamon O’Cuiv and Tom Parlon have destroyed it at the parish pump and then you tell me that this same government with this same mentality can see the value in putting an rail Interconnector under the city.
Sorry , but I do like it either, but as they said in The Irish RM – “but this is Ireland!” This is why Platform11 is not making the public transport perfectly integrated dreamers happy, becuase we know that Charlie, Bertie and Mary have no intetion of doing that and we have accepted this reality.
Please down blame Platform11 for an Irish cultural issue we have to deal with as well. You try walking into a government minister’s office and being told, “sure lads, railways are never going to replace the moshercar and anyway dem big mosherways like they have in da States is what the people want”.
Diaspora, a 197 apartments, are you happy? Many of the five and six storey buildings in the docklands both in existence and proposed have more than that! I really think this will get the go ahead,
1. the area has been identified as suitable for high rise
2. there has been much liasing with dcc on the issue and they have given it their backing
3. the governement are behind the scheme, itll give the project more weight
4. Despite what you might say, the area is well served by public transport, (better than anywhere else in this country).
5. It is not purely residential and commecial, ie. museum etc, bridge etc.Aside from everything else, I think it’s also worth pointing out that the Military Road site is a very short, twenty-minute or so walk (ten-minute cycle) into the city centre.
With Luas (almost certain to be finished by the time the tower is built) and at least a dozen bus lines running along the North and South Quays, and a couple of others through Kilmainham – I would find it hard to think of an area better served by public transport.As with Diaspora and An Taisce’s role in the National Gallery Millennium Wing debacle (this thread, this week), Graham Hickey is engaging in revisionism in relation to the Irish Georgian Society’s role in this development. What’s going on with the champions of conservation?
In case anyone is unclear about what happened, Frank McDonald’s The Construction of Dublin sets the record straight on p326:
“Assuming that it could get rid of a surviving 18th-century building on the site, the gallery did not specify that it should be retained in its brief for an international architectural competition in 1996 for the project… Having awarded the commission to Benson & Forsyth, architects of the much-acclaimed Museum of Scotland in Edinburgh, the gallery ran into serious flak from An Taisce and the Irish Georgian Society, which were outraged that a premier national cultural institution would demolish a Georgian house with a rare Regency ballrooom…”
The ballroom, in case you are wondering, is that lumpen yoke, marooned in the winter garden restaurant. Who now thinks it was worth the fuss? Is it that realisation that is at the root of the current revisionism? Were the conservationists’ objections ever meant? Frank hints at the answer in his account, which continues:
“They [An Taisce, IGS] were as stunned as the gallery when An Bord Pleanala upheld their appeal in January 1998, overturning Dublin Corporation’s decision on the avowedly conservationist grounds that the replacement of these worthy, unlisted structures with a modern building would materially contravene its policy of protecting the area’s architectural and civic design character. Having recovered from from their shock, the gallery and its architects submitted a revised scheme, retaining No. 5 South Leinster Street in its entirety, and this sailed through the planning process without a single objection.”
Trace,
If you had read what I said agreed revisions.
According to the architect it was the government who didn’t back the architect to proceed with another application with the revised and agreed structure that would have had the facade over No 5 Sth Leinster St.
Dublin has lost what could have become a very important facade; all An Taisce wanted was to retain the Ballroom. A strategy which was is in itself a diificult decision. Like many buildings this was got at by the accountants and risk managers who would not take the chance that the uncompromising Georgian Society would not win a second time.
Once they had their Ballroom they didn’t object nor did An Taisce. Because they acknowledged the quality of the new building’s design. If the mandins of merrion st had more patience we would all have had a better gallery extension along with the ballroom which deserved retention.Which is what it is all about,
Quality of Thought,
Quality of designing to a particular site
Quality of integration into the existing infrastructure.
Preserving existing quality
Stira,
197 apartments, well then why build it so damn high. On a cost basis the taller you go the more it costs. To interfere with the Skyline for the sake of it is a ridiculous proposition. The model for good tall residential development is Ardoyne House
It would also take an increadible architect to pull a form like that off. So why haven’t the pictures been publicised? I suspect it is because it simply isn’t up to it. but merely attempting to fly a kite for a 12-16 story thing that would end up being called ‘dat yoke ober der’ if it were to be built.
As for this being the best serviced area in relation to public transport in Dublin. That is a joke. I could list a number of places but that would be a waste of time I will list only 2
Fairview
Ballsbridge.
As to Kefu’s centrality theory,
There only two definition’s of centrality in Dublin Firstly the road signs indicating that you are 2kms from the City centre, The closest one to this development is half way down the croppies acre at least 1km giving 3kms from O’Connel Bridge. To mention nothing of the two real hearts of working Dublin Merrion Square and The IFSC.
The second definition is couriers, how many bicycle couriers do you see this far out?
0
Their maximum distance is Arran Quay, in other words it is to far to comfortably cycle. not to mention the sheer danger of cycling in Dublin, my doctor once said to me if you cycle you can expect at least one accident per year.
If you want a discussion on higher densities do yourselves a big favour and find a site in this city where it would prove benificial to all.
Diaspora, I don’t know why you have to treat every point as a conflict.
How and ever, I’m assuming the “joke” that is public transport extends as far as the Dublin Bus website, which lists the following routes for this area.
“Heuston Stn.” is serviced by the following routes : 25X | 26 | 46A | 46X | 51 | 51D | 51X | 66X | 67N | 67X | 69x | 748 | 79 | 90 | 90A |
“St. James’s Hospital (James St. Entrance)” is serviced by the following routes : 123 | 206 | 51B | 78A |
There are other bus routes from Chapelizod and Blanchardstown that could also be used.
Also, I know literally dozens of people living in Stoneybatter, Islandbridge, Kilmainham, Fairview, Ballsbridge, Donnybrook, Ringsend, Ranelagh and so on, all of whom walk into the city centre. So, I don’t know where this centrality thing comes from.
Yes, Fairview and Ballsbridge have good public transport networks. So do all of these central locations because they tend to attract five buses from five different suburbs. It doesn’t mean that Heuston doesn’t have a good network.
Served yes
Served well no
Why does the bus lane stop for one of the Quays? It can take quite sometime for Buses to get down this one Quay just before Arran Quay.
I agree with you that people walk from Ranelagh, Ballsbridge and Stonnybatter and Donnybrook
But
Islandbridge, Kilmainham, Fairview I think it would take a pretty dedicated individual.I think that in Theory Hueston has an excellent location, however in practice it’s pretty shabby
Diaspora
I find cycling in Dublin to be fine as long as one is careful and obeys rules of road. Common sense and awareness is all thats required. Been cycling there for 9 years and never had an accident
Its by far the best way to get around Dublin with the shambles of public transport thats available…. Oh Santa bring me a city wide metro
Niall,
You are of course right in that cycling is the most efficient way to get around Dublin.
That is in my opinion a very sad fact given the economic revolution plotted and executed by the IDA.
When Ireland’s GDP is analysed we have the right to expect compariable transportation options to places such as Singapore and Luxembourg.
I feel that cycling to work should be a lifestyle choice for those that wish to look good and be healthy.
I feel that the Dublin City Quays are lethal to cyclists, in direct contrast to the Clontarf Road. How many cycling fatalities have occurred on the Quays?
In any other country something would be done.
The plans have been described as the “next stage of the Minister’s initiative to transform State assets, and fully utilise and extract minimum value from under-utilised State land”.
Tom Parlon himself extracting “minimum Value”
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