32-floor building planned for Dublin
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Almost destroyed there are still a few intact streetscapes but not many.
To limit the effects of taller buildings it would be appropriate to select suitable sites when deciding where to put them.
Outside heritage areas there is little excuse for groundscrapers.
These speculative apartment developments often designed by engineers get it wrong they play too safe. Thus adding to the visual wallpaper that passes for streets in many parts of Dublin.
Site selection is everything, finding sites that have special attributes is the best way to raise the bar.
The four buildings i was talking about are, u2 tower, millenium tower, pearse street and grand canal dock towers, also spencer dock is quite close.
“To limit the effect of taller buildings…”
Again prejudging soley on height. Who’s to say an 18th C building of four storeys cannot reside near a 21st C 32 storey building? But that’s not the point. I think some people here just don’t like the concept of a 32 storey building period. All the talk of selectiing a site etc – is just trying to make out like a fair balanced view… which sites – ones abroad?!? NIMBY??? The fact is that even when a suitable site is available and something is proposed the usual suspects still manage to object – despite earlier protestations of “not being against”yeah right
Grow up D-D Dallas
Your name says it all, a desert of thought
It also helps when you read the entire thread and not just a couple of posts.
As for someone elses drop a bit of Manhatten in the docklands.
Is that an admission that Irish Architects are incapable of designing tall buildings.
Are there no original ideas?
It sounds an exciting prospest. But just like the Southbank tower, point, Sir JohnRogerson’s, tara street, etc it probably won’t get built.
The others I mention apart from Southbank have all been given planning permission, but nothing has been done yet. An example being Tara street is supposed to be completed by 2004 I believe and work on it hasn’t even started!
I sincerely hope that I’m proved wrong and this 32 floorbuilding and the other ones I’ve mentioned do get built.
What time scale are we takling about before they’re all up? Just curious.
No, the work on Tara Street is due to begin this September.It wasnt meant to begin earlier. It will take 2 years to construct. If they turned Sir John Rogersons quay into apartments they could literally charge what they wanted for an apartment, it would be an amazingly cool building to live in.
Yup – great looking design. Dunloe’s internal warfare and office occupancy downturn spell bad news for that building. Anyone know how this project is doing?
There is no internal warfare in Dunloe anymore
the battle has been won.Trends in the office market indicate there is little problem in letting high quality landmark buildings close to public transport links that actually go somewhere.
It is however at secondary locations poorly served by public transport that vacancy is anywhere between 20% and 70%
So its to be built? I find it hard to believe that they would find it hard to find tenants for that building.
Yeah – the warfare is indeed over. The project was a pet of Noel Smyth so I’m not sure how that translates to Liam Carroll’s intentions. He’s got his own Gasworks to think of at the moment.
Nobody knows what Liam Carrols plans are his first act once in control was to axe the companies website.
Shrewd but I think his advisors will ensure it maximises development potential.
I am just not sure if that agenda will include top-spec design.
Just heard (don’t know if its true) that a 17 storey building is planned for Liffey Valley along with a few other 8-10 storey buildings. I’ll believe it when i see it!
I think I also read somewhere that an application has been made to raise the height of one of the proposed buildings in the new Smithfield development to over 54 metres. Not bad eh? That’s if its approved of course.
16 storeys in Liffey Valley it is in Weds Commercial Prop supplement in the Times.
The real question is whether Frank Dunlop comes out of retirement to get them another section 4
Because from what I’ve seen it will never clear the planning system on traffic generation grounds alone.
Originally posted by stira
Ok, the Luas will be crowded by the time it reaches Heuston station at peak times, but the interconnector will have a high capacity for bringing passengers into the the city centre and doklands. And the one thing is, its going ot have to be built there is no getting out of it for CIE or the Gov.http://www.platform11.org/dconnector.html
http://www.platform11.org/luas_docklands.html
http://www.platform11.org/nometro.html
There are many stages that can be developed before waiting for Charlie McCreevy to refuse more money for new rail transport projects.
Hang on. There has got to be a catch, i mean i just dont believe it can be that easy. Why the hell are CIE not acting if this is the case. I refer to the already on place interconnector. There has to be something not right.
Originally posted by stira
Hang on. There has got to be a catch, i mean i just dont believe it can be that easy. Why the hell are CIE not acting if this is the case. I refer to the already on place interconnector. There has to be something not right.Believe me, it really is that easy and even Irish Rail now agree after years of telling us the Park Tunnel route was unsuited to passenger trains. Platform11 had to go to the government and tell them about it:
http://www.irlgov.ie/oireachtas/Committees-29th-Dáil/jct-debates/jct150403.rtf
Shocking to think the essential building blocks of a very useful metro system for Dublin were already in place and millions were paid out to constultants prove to the most amazing fantasies and to allow their graphic design departments to draw all kinds of lines on the map of Dublin…
These Georgian societies, An Taisce , the Green party, etc…..are absolute futile. When it really matters they are hopeless….ie FitzWilliam Street, Wood Quay in the past as well as the likes of shoddy non publized developments which always get the go ahead and are springing up everywhere today.
They object to the big publicised developments….so as to get the Kudos!
They susposedly espouse the classical virtues of symmetry, proportion etc. in architecture…..but really know fuck all about it. Shampers and Sushi anyone….what great talking points.
It is this outlook which has kept Dublin and other Irish towns stunted and has even led to the destruction of their historical fabric.
Having artless ignorant gombeen politicians does not help either!
Shame on the lot of them for it’s the city in the end that suffers!
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