32-floor building planned for Dublin
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In other news, a 16 storey residential development on the Grand Canal Dock end of Pearse Street was approved a couple of weeks ago. It’s not exactly high-rise, but it is a start. I assume there will be an appeal, but it doesn’t appear to have been lodged yet.
well said Blain!
the 16 storey building is right next to the millenium tower AND the mills buildings – I couldn’t imagine anyone having a problem with it – but you know *someone* will…
Blain,
There are two reasons why so called Hi-Rise buildings have not been designed for Dublin.
Fistly there has been no tradition of building them here, so the expertise has had to be drafted in. Architects on their home patch will generally do a better job.
Those that have been proposed have been particularly poor and often designed in the wrong places.
Can anybody tell me that Spencer Dock should have been built unaltered?
The fact is that buildings will get progressively taller, but this process will involve very well designed ‘Medium Rise’ Buildings first.
Each time the bar gets rasied the potential exists to raise it by another couple of storeys again.
There was an AD in the FT for AIG insurance showing the Manhatten skyline in 1907.
If I remember correctly the tallest building was about 15-20 stories. It (a) looked amazing for it’s time and (b) was followed by progressively taller buildings.
One thing we don’t want is sub standard Hi-Rise it would set a very dangerous precedent
The first significant medium rise or minor high rise building will need to be perfect.
Diaspora is right there, the bar will gradually be raised. I mean a few years ago 60m was the highest we had and nothing came close to it, now 60 m is nothing out of the ordinary. For example if a new 80m building was built, youd set a precedent for Dublin, im sure all new high rise buildings in the city centre would be built to this height for some time. Then a few years later another higher building would be built and this height would become the norm and so on.
Andrew is the development on Pearse Street the site the DDDA has identified as a location for a tall building or another site?
A lot of people are misinterpreting my position,
I like high-rise I consider preferable to urban sprawl.If anyone had asked me how I would have felt about a 22 storey building two years ago I would have no Spencer Dock.
ASked the same question now, I am saying show me the drawings.
But I think 25 storeys should come next, if that works well go to 28 and so on.
Where on Pearse St is the 16 Storey building going in, is it on Grand Canal Quay?
That would work in my opinion if it is as slender as the Milenium tower.
excuse my ignorance in classical architecture dispora but i wasn’t quite using the term folly in the architectural sense. in easier terms it means, fickleness,foolishness and nonsense among others. and to be honest, the georgian architecture ,as someone suggested(sorry forgot who), was poor in dublin compared to other places so i will leave to the afore mentioned people. hopefully the will decide to knock it and start again.
i agree that time is needed to build a say 100 storey development but at the rate your saying that night not be til the next millineum. but as u said urself u would have objected to 22 storeys and now it would be 25??? why.If the 32 storey development goes ahead, does anyone that the 60m maximum height they are allowing on Spencer Dock for the landmark building will be highered? It will lessen the prestige of the building and the Heuston development will be a rival. If its kept at 60m it will just be another fairly normal building, that will not generate much interest, it would be prestigious to have Dublins tallest building for Spencer Dock and the DDDA. Some rivalry might even develop between the Heuston and SD development.
oh! forgot to say well said blain.
stira…one would hope it is as a landmark building should stand out not blend inNo what actually said is I think a 25 storey building in that area of the docklands could be considered.
But as always it would be the design that would be more important than the height.
The speed of additional height will like all things depend on the speed of architectural innovation.
Which is beyond my control, but I very much doubt that Dublin land values will ever justify a 100 storey building
it’s good to see that u have changed ur mind. so why not 32 storeys?
yes the architecture does matter the most and so no matter the height it should always be judged on the architecture.It’s on Pearse St and Grand Canal Quay – not sure which side of Pearse St. The designated site for a landmark building is close to Grand Canal Dock train station, so not this site. I’m glad that DCC doesn’t consider 16 residential floors (45m tops) to be a landmark building. However, they did chop the Point Square landmark down to 60m (but the proposal for the site is 19 office stories, thus a bit taller).
Because as I have explained it is not the height, it is the site.
The site lacks sufficient Transport,
I haven’t seen the drawings
It is located between two important historical buildings.
I want to see the docklands go higher before the experiment goes elsewhere.
I agree with you about spencer dock it could carry more than 10 storeys. When you consider that many 10 storey buildings already exist.
The Pearse St/Ringsend Rd building is opposite the millenium tower and gallery quay (i.e. bolands mill side) – it’s on the water and judging by the plot will be a very very slim block – there’s some crumby house there at the moment.
All this talk of the docklands and high buildigns has been preculded – there will not be any – the master plan has a few token 60m scattered (i.e. U2 building) north and south – the design for the docklands has already been sealed and it’s 5+1 monotony. As a result most taller proposals lately seem to emanate from elsewhere in Dublin – Ballymun, Donnybrook, and Heuston.
From what I know, the original Docklands plan was envisaged to be from 2000-05 but a little recession got in the way and it’s way behind.
They really should reconsider it, and just take each application on it’s merits. The more you build the shorter their S&A housing list becomes, believed to be the longest in the country apparently.
I am vary wary of taller proposals in places like Heuston Station
I thought the Spencer Dock 60m development and the recently announced 19 storey blocks were different developments?
That will mean therell be four mid rise buildings in close proximity to another, irelands manhattan! Whats happening with the southbank development?
Southbank is still awaiting a planning decision, three years on. I think that the pipedream, sorry proposal for a national stadium on the same site is what has held up the decision. It doesn’t have to be a yes, just a decision.
What four midrise buildings will be in close proximity to each other? There is a fair distance between the Point and Spencer Dock, and that’s only two buildings. Spencer Dock also doesn’t have anything yet designed that would qualify as midrise. The closest things to clusters we’ll have are Georges Quay Plaza, Tara St. Station, Hawkin’s House, O’Connell Bridge House, Liberty Hall (sort of), and eventually maybe U2 building, Millennium Tower, Sir John Rogerson’s Quay, Pearse St., Grand Canal Dock station, Southbank (sort of).
The second one would be nice, but unlikely.
Dublin should not be treated as some sort of Florence or Venice so as to prevent ‘high rise’ buildings from from being constructed ….jesus 32 storeys! Ok, listed and historic buildings and their somewhat environs should be respected, conserved and restored but the essence of this 18th Georgian city has been destroyed. It is time to move on and move with the times ….else we will be forever stuck in this limbo.
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