32-floor building planned for Dublin
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Well Diaspora, it’s typical of the organisation you refuse to admit you are a member of to object to something before even seeing it. I’m also sure you have familiarised yourself with the area as much as you did with Sligo before trampling Dunlop and Murray’s building there.
If you had familiarised youself with the Heuston area any time in the last few months you’d have realised that there are in fact three Luas tracks and platforms outside the station, specifically so short workings can be run. You should also familiarise yourself with the passenger capacity of the LUAS, which can support trams run at three minute intervals at least before dismissing it. Maybe you should also examine the 15 or so Dublin Bus routes passing by, or the work, currently well under way, to quadruple the mainline track to the western suburbs. Or have a look at the Park tunnel and the Midland Line, both recently relaid and resignalled to the highest standard for imminent use for passenger services to the DART and Belfast lines.
I challenge you to find an area in the entire country better served by existing and under construction (not just proposed) public transport than the Heuston area. However, I do encourage you to cite lack of public transport in your objection to Dublin City Council, as it will make your appeal look all the more nonsensical.
Oh, what particular 42 storey building is your favourite?
Fin,
Really I don’t wish to insult your lack of understanding of classical Architecture.
But a folly always follows the construction of a house that is why it is called a folly.
It serves absolutely no function other than to
amuse the builder.So no, you’d better leave Georgian heritage to the Irish Georgian Society and Duchas
Yes Andrew,
Low capacity Luas and full buses we know all that.
As for the interconnector get it open and then talk about a planning application.
A little less talk and a lot more action
As for the building a very different and simple building that would not work in Dublin
Banco Weise Sud Americano Headquarters
San Isidro Lima
Why should the height of a building even be considered before we see what it looks like? This height-phobia in Dublin is ridiculous – what concerns me is if a 32 storey BADLY designed building got erected. If you want to see tall very modern buildings alongside “heritage” go to Copley Plaza in Boston. I can only wish that Dublin ever gets an area one tenth as beautiful as it. Also last time I checked it was 2003 – not 1803… Dublin does not need to be a museum exhibit – the modern and the old should exist side by side – which shows Dublin has both a past and a future.
I can’t find anything about that building on the web, unfortunately. Why would it not work in Dublin? Dublin is an ugly, small city with some Georgian achitecture, the majority of it extremely poor (visit Cheltenham before defending Dublin’s Georgian architecture) and some Victorian architecture, most of it poor (visit Glasgow…). If Lima can have good buildings (according to you), why can’t Dublin?
On the Luas issue – at peak times the Tallaght line will operate at five minute intervals, according to the RPA. Even if no short workings were run, which would suggest that a third track has been built outside Heuston station for nothing, this equals 2820 people per hour in each direction. That is not a low capacity service, and by running short workings to and from the station the capacity would be dramatically increased. Since a private company is operating the trams, I can assure you that short workings will be run since they make economic sense.
I live in the area, and can vouch for the fact that the buses are not overcrowded, even at peak times.
Service to the western suburbs has just been massively improved, and the logical next step is to reopen the park tunnel and midland line. It is not the fault of a property developer that Irish Rail do not have an intelligent long term strategy. The developer would certainly offer to pay for the development of the heavy rail service if the option was available – look up the offer to construct a Luas spur to Citywest and the plan put forward by the Shannon rail company if you don’t beleive developers are interested in making their developments more accessible.
However, examing facts and assesing need are not the strengths of a conservationist. The only fact you will see is the height of the buillding.
Two points,
The way to maximise revenues is to get passengers travelling the maximum distance.
As stated earlier there is sufficient capacity on the DART at all stations as far as Dunlaoire. Try and get on a DART in Sydney Parade easier said than done.
As for the CIE situation, CIE have done their best in my opinion given the lack of real support they have received from this administration.
Hiving the luas off to the private sector further compounds the problem, because it denies CIE a rare profit making opportunity.
Given the context that they operate a lot of services that have no economic viability but deliver a significant societal beinifit.
So I don’t accept that one can blame CIE, and elevate the LUAS becuase it is simply a private sector project.
LUAS is fundamentally flawed, only a metro will solve the problems.
And an extension to CityWest would make the Heuston development even more UNViable because it would consume even more LUAS capacityBuild the City West extension and build the apartments in the Docklands.
Running a service for only part of its length, i.e., from Heuston station to Connolly station and back. If this isn’t done the Luas will be useless for travellers arriving at Heuston in the morning or departing there in the evening. However, the extra line will allow a tram to board at the station and be overtaken by a full tram from Tallaght. The line maps on luas.ie also show a siding on Steeven’s lane, but I can’t see it on the gound.
That simple observation Andrew, is
(a) brilliant(B) above the level of the clowns running the RPA and dept of trainspotting
I had never thought of that.
A four track system would have worked a treat.
i think thats what is happening, but it dosnt need to be four tarcks, it will just join the same line as the other luas trams arriving from tallaght from tallaght.
Edit – posted before I read the above post. I can assure you that the third track exists; I’ll probably take a photo to show the flexibility offered by the large number of points as well.
How many times does this have to be said, I wonder? People do not need to, and should not expect to, be picked up from their local station and dropped off at their destination. Efficient changes between short journeys are what makes a system work. When a Luas spur is built to service Citywest, trams will be able to run from Citywest to Heuston only, all the way into the city, or even just to the main Tallaght line in off peak periods. The Luas is capable of running trams far more frequently than once every five minutes; that is merely the level of service required of the operator. It will be up to Connex to decide how often trams are run over and above that required level of service.
The small size of a tram compared to a train makes them immensely flexible in this regard. Trams servicing the heavy rail stations is a great solution for a city that can’t justify a fully-fledged underground system. And they have the benefit of being far more comfortable than travelling in a glorified sewer pipe.
So go ahead, complain about the public transport in the area when making your submission. I doubt that DCC’s planning office will fall for it.That won’t work, if you read the ALSTOM submission I put in the LUAS update No 8
You will see that schedule adherance times are 2 1/2 mins. Allowing a margin of error for safety it would be a minimum of four minutes.
Two tracks doesn’t provide sufficient capacity.
Only a metro can provide the type of capacity to service 32 story buildings.
No,
IL and not myself will talk about dramatically increasing congestion at the countries principal rail station in the absence of any coherent transport strategy for this city.
I would not call Heuston Station to the IFSC or Fitz Sq a short stroll.
Flexible blisters
You’re treating trams the same as heavy rail when they are very different. They are only signalled at traffic lights, and rely on the driver to avoid collisions with traffic and other trams. The brakes and wheels, combined with the lower speeds, allow for very rapid stopping.
One of the tramlines I rode on in Amsterdam was double-tracked and carried about one tram every thrity seconds, with only minimal queuing of trams at stops. The trams in Amsterdam are not as advanced as the ones we’re using.
Whats IL and secondly, this buildings may only have 32 apartments in it. Look at the u2 building, an apartment on every floor and there are only 12! and thats 60m. I mean the building will be high but i doubt the floor plate will be big. You wouldnt object if it were a 6 storey building taking up more ground space but only had the same number of apartments would you. Its not like big buildings take up entire blocks here is it? Im sure the building is meant to act like a landmark and if not then why arent the other buildings being built to a higher density? Your objection is based soley on height.
It will be interseting to see how they operate the system.
It will be interesting to see how the cities motorists react to being held up by the LUAS.
Don’t get me wrong I am in favour of the luas in principle, it is just that if the construction phase is anything to go by.
The Metro is the only way to integrate all services from LUAS through to linking a potential Cork-Belfast service as well as dart and suburban commuter services
Stira,
Anything with Tommy parlon’s name on it worries me.
And once it was not particularly visual from the two heritage buildings I mentioned
and once it was the best designed building dublin has ever seen through a slender designI personaly could even be quite supportive of it
Thus far not one credible high-rise building has emerged in Dublin
i liked the building proposed for sir john rogersons quay, it has permission but nothing has happened yet.
“Thus far not one credible high-rise building has emerged in Dublin”
Very few high-rise buildings of any kind have emerged in Dublin or anywhere else in Ireland recently, mostly because of the whinging and whining that goes on among conservationists anytime any proposal is made no matter what the quality. They see the words “high-rise” and the broken record is set in motion.
Developers have been reluctant to bother proposing even decent well-designed high-rise schemes because they don’t want the hassle from the likes of An Taisce and their ilk with their dictionary of buzz words and terms that they love to trot out (“overshadowing” being the most overused in my opinion) and the almost inevitable rejection of their plans as a result.
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