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Praxiteles
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“That Church leaders have not fully embraced the Second Vatican Council”.

Praxiteles does wish that Irish Bishops would stop talking about the Second Vatican Council. It is demonstarble from their efforts before, during and after the Second Vatican Council that they know next to nothing about it.

This remarkable fact is patently clear when you read through the submissions made by the Irish Bishops to the ante-preparatory Commission for the Second Vatican Council. Briefly, before the Council met, every Bishop, monastery, major religious superior and Catholic University in the world was asked to make suggestions about what they though were the burderning problems facing the Catholic Church in wake of a devastating world war and a historical context increasingly dominated by the working out of the philosophical madness of the 18 and 19 centuries.

One would have expected that the Irish Bishops -being still a significant proportion of the world hierarch in 1956- would have had something “relevant” to say. This expectation would, of course, have been heightened by the key role played by the Irish bishops (and cardinal Cullen of Dublin) at the First Vatican Council which had closed barely 90 years before. No such thing however. When you read through the submissions of the Irish bishops to the ante preparatory Commission for the Second Vatican Council -with a few exceptions- their contributions are a cringing embarassment to any theologically educated person. Far from playing a central role at the Second Vatican Council, the Irish bishops were a completely isolate group who had no realization of the theological issues surrounding them both in the Aula of the Council and in any of the conciliar commission on which, through some mishap of Italian efficiency, they happened to find themselves.

Worse again is to compare what the Irish bishops had to propose as subjects for the Second Vatican Council with their counterparts in France and Germany – who were the ones who determined the subjects and outcome of the Council. While the French hierarch were intent on the need to develop a theological method that drew directly on the sources of Christian theology -especially the patristic sources – in order to be able to provide some form of intellectual response to the various philsosphical “isms” that were about to engulf them in France; and while the German hierarchy was grappeling with the need to address such issues as the “God question” in the light of the effects of 18 Enlightenment and 19 century atheism; the Irish bishops could think of nothing more crucial than matters such as the provision of a specific definition of unnecessary servile work on Sundays!! It is no secret that special classes had to be organised for the Irish bishops while in Rome for the Second Vatican Council so as to queue them in, at least schematically, to what was going on theologically in the Catholic world and to try and explain (in so far as that was possible) to them why they were attending this particular council. It is a startling fact that NO Irish bishop made any significant contribution on any debate during any of the sessions of the Second Vatican Council.

For the avid reader, Praxiteles would point out that all of this documentation has been published and is readily available for the general public to consult. Also, if anyone wants to check the significance already attributed by historians to the “Irish contribution” to the Second Vatican Council, all they have to do is flick through the index of Giuseppe Alberigo’s Breve Storia del Concilio Vaticano Secondo

Praxiteles regrets having to say that the least qualified person to speak about the Second Vatican Council, its purpose, vonvocation, composition, proceedure, outcome and (non) application is an Irish bishop – and even more so the generation of those who succeeded those who were present at its sessions – which includes the former bishop of Clogher.

Praxiteles subjoins the relevant bibliography for anyone wishing to take it to the beach over the holidays for superb piece of intellectual amusement:

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria (4/3/2)

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria (4/3/1)

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria (4/2)

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_4.1]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_3.2]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_3.1]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_2.3]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_2.4]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_2.2]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_2.1]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Series praeparatoria [vol_1]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Schemata constitutionum et decretorum de quibus disceptabitur in Concilii sessionibus [vol_4]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Schemata constitutionum et decretorum de quibus disceptabitur in Concilii sessionibus [vol_3]

Acta et documenta Concilio oecumenico Vaticano II apparando. Schemata constitutionum et decretorum… Ordo Concilii oecumenici Vaticani II celebrandi

Documenta inde a Concilio Vaticano secundo expleto edita

All of these volumes are published by the Libereria Editrice Vaticana

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