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Hey there Prax. . .Sorry but were not all multilingual like your good-self.:confused:
What is Piusbruderschaft BTW?

A kinda rough enough translation from German to English of the above by the Google Translater.

The United States: What do you personally the five years that Pope Benedict XVI. in office?
Mosebach: Benedict XVI. schwerstmögliche the task has made: He wants to heal the terrible consequences of the ’68 revolution within the church to non-revolutionary way. This pope is simply not a papal dictator, he relies on the strength of the better argument, and he hopes that the nature of the church it is not overcome by themselves in accordance with, if you some small assistance to be given. This program is so subtle that it can be represented either in official statements could be understood in an almost inconceivably coarse journalistic public. It is a program that its effect only in the future, probably only show significantly after the death of the Pope, is. But already the courage of the pope is seen, with whom he donates reconciliation beyond the narrow limits of the canon beyond – in China by integrating the Patriotic Church and to the Russian and Greek Orthodox – and by his new fusion of traditional and enlightened Biblical theology, which us out of the impasses of rationalistic biblical criticism.

The United States, we must prepare ourselves not to abuse in Catholic institutions other countries and how do you think Pope Benedict should then respond to that?
Mosebach: Of course the Church must always expect that their assault in boarding schools and individual teachers at the school, which lies in the nature of things. Where children are taught, are found always an even individuals with pedophilic tendencies. But we must ask why it is frequently in Catholic boarding schools, especially in the Second Vatican Council directly to the following years came to sex crimes by priests. There is no way around to the bitter conclusion: the experiment of “aggiornamento”, the approximation of the Church in a secularized world, has failed in a terrible way. After the Second Vatican Council laid the majority of priests from the priests clothing, they ceased to celebrate daily Mass and prayed the breviary not daily. The conciliar theology was doing everything possible to forget the traditional priests image. All institutions that a priest had done to his difficult and lonely life support, have been called into question. What wonder if many priests could feel in these years, not in traditional way as a priest. The priestly discipline that has been deliberately suppressed, was very largely formulated in the Council of Trent. Even then it had been about to fight a corruption of the clergy and to arouse the consciousness of the sanctity of the priesthood again. It is nice to now the minister of the Church to ask the victims for forgiveness of sins, but more importantly it will be to the reins of discipline in the sense of the Council of Trent re-attract and return to a priesthood of the Catholic tradition.

The United States: What should the Catholic Church, Pope Benedict will leave again?
Mosebach expected: It would be desirable this pope that he first traces of a reform of the church still notice them. But this pope is so unpretentious and modest that he would consider such traces probably not as a result of his work. I think he wants to spare his successor thankless but necessary work by itself it does – hopefully this successor uses the great opportunity that Benedict will have created him.

“The year 1968 is still not at a sufficient unrecognized phenomenon”
The United States: The liturgical reform has changed the Catholic Church fundamentally – why?
Mosebach: “liturgical reform”, the intervention of Pope Paul VI. for over 1500 years in the traditional Roman Catholic liturgy just called – in reality it was a revolution here, which is on the order of the Second Vatican Council, liturgical books “carefully” look through not, covered. It has centered on the worship of God which focused celebration of the last two millennia to humans, it has undermined the priesthood and obscured the doctrine of the Church of the sacraments very large extent.

The United States: In the late ’60s, there were many breaks in the world: the cultural revolution in China, the Prague Spring in Czechoslovakia, the student unrest at us, the Vietnam War – and the Second Vatican Council. Can we call these breaks in a row?
Mosebach: The year 1968 is a something that is still not enough at all unrecognized phenomenon. Here in Germany, attention has been paid in this context, like with blissful memories of shared flats and the controversy about the correct reading of Marx. In truth, an axis 1968 years of history with one another is apparently completely independent anti-traditional movements in the world. But I am convinced that one day, if there is only enough distance to understand the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Roman liturgical reform in a narrow context.

The United States: Pope Benedict XVI. Council was involved as a theologian in this awakening of the council. What do you think his commitment today to revive some elements of the pre-conciliar liturgical church?
Mosebach: Benedict XVI. sees one of his main tasks is the essence of the Church back to make more visible – the Catholics, and then even non-Catholics. The pope knows that the church is inextricably bound to their tradition. Church and revolution are irreconcilable opposites. He tries to intervene, where the appearance of the church by a radical break with the past is distorted. The church has just as their founder, two natures: a historical and a timeless. You must not forget where it comes from, and they must not forget where it goes. This is happening especially the Church in the West currently difficult: it has neither a sense of their historical or for their life in eternity.

“The relationship of the Pope to Judaism is not a superficial” political “
The United States: The request for the conversion of the Jews, as it was in use until the council was allowed by the reinstatement of the old rite again. Is this a good step?
Mosebach: With the reinstatement of the under Paul VI. often enough forcibly displaced, and the growing liturgy came originally from the early Christianity prayer for the conversion of the Jews, which has its place in the Good Friday intercessions, back into the official books of the church. This early Christian, on a formulation of St. Paul-based request, contained the phrase that God would liberate the Jews from “their blindness” and “the veil take from their hearts.” Because these formulations of the Pope because of the recent history of the misunderstanding of a contempt of Jews by the Church allowed, he has with his restoration of the traditional rite here intervened and ordered a new formulation within the Old Rite, which also asks God to the Jews to lead them to Jesus Christ, but excludes the interpretation of disdain. It has accused the Pope that he will ever have to pray for the conversion of Jews to Jesus Christ – but one can expect of the Church of the Jews, Peter and Paul, seriously, to refrain from such prayer intention?

The United States: How would you assess the relationship of the pope to the Jews to Israel?
Mosebach: Benedict XVI. Perhaps since Peter the first Pope to understand Christianity from Judaism so closely out. His book betrays Jesus over long distances to try to read the New Testament through the eyes of the Old Testament. The relationship of the Pope to Judaism is not a superficial, political, not merely out of a fashionable philo-sympathizing, but is deeply theological, rooted in faith. One could even occasionally get the impression: If Benedict were not a Christian, he was a Jew. This betrays an ignorance nachzusagen Pope anti-Semitism and incompetence, which would exclude from public discourse.

The United States: The controversy surrounding Pius brothers has been the Vatican brought no visible success. What does this group do you think of the Catholic Church other than their love for the old liturgy?
Mosebach: Except for the old liturgy? What’s more important than the liturgy for the church? The liturgy is the body of the church, the liturgy is made visible faith. If the liturgy sick, sick of the whole church – this is not mere theory but a description of the current situation. You can not crass enough to represent: the crisis of the Church has made it possible that her greatest treasure, their Arcanum, was flushed out of the center to the periphery. The Piusbruderschaft, especially its founder, Archbishop Lefebvre is due, the historical glory of this most precious preserved over the decades and kept alive to have. Therefore, the Church of the Piusbruderschaft owes gratitude first of all, and this gratitude is the fact that it tries to take it out again to extricate many confusions and radicalization.

“Christianity is the cornerstone of Europe, I see no other”
The United States: The Pius brothers do not seem to really reach out to Rome.
Mosebach: in talks with the Piusbruderschaft it comes to a patient advocacy, as is appropriate in spiritual matters. The talks appear to be very good atmosphere to go ahead. If it is possible one day, the Piusbruderschaft to reintegrate into the full unity of the Church would be the pontificate of Benedict the sixteenth. a success destined to go far in its meaning of the number of Piusbrüder.

The United States, Christianity is one of the pillars of Europe. Will it still be relevant for the continent in the future?
Mosebach: Christianity is the cornerstone of Europe, I see no other. All intellectual currents of modern times, even when they fight, Christianity owed its origin to Christianity, and ancient philosophy and art, we have received from the hands of Christianity. Should the European society as a whole want to turn away from Christianity, then that would mean nothing but that she denied herself. What we do not or will not know, but why still there. Displacement can not be a foundation for a hopeful future.

The United States: They were some time in Turkey – Turkey would benefit as a full member of the EU or is it difficult to integrate an Islamic country in the Western values of composite?
Mosebach: You surely understand that I can give you neither a political nor international response. I only see that Turkey in the 20th century had enormous difficulties with their Christian European minorities, precisely the anti-Islamic, modernizing Turkey. Until the 50s it was still a Greek-dominated Constantinople, but the coexistence with Christians, the modern Turks was intolerable, and they have since ended violently. Now it seems you moving near to Europe for economic reasons to find desirable, without moreover to revise the domestic fight against Christians. From what you call ‘integration into the Western values of composite, “we are, I believe, very far away

by Martin Mosebach – 03.04.2010

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