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@Praxiteles wrote:


That is indeed an important point: the Second Vatican Council in NOT the same thing as the Liturgical Movement. Neither did Vatican II uncritically canonize the Liturgical Movement nor accept all of its currents. Indeed, you would also have to say that there is no such thing as a “Liturgical Movement”. Rather, there are several different “Liturgical Movements” -and not all are of the same significance or seriousness. I suspect that Paddy Jones is to be found towards the dafter end of the spectrum where a lot of rubbish is passed off on the unsuspecting as being required by Vatican II when in fact they are talking about some of the nuttier things from the Liturgical Movement’s other side.

P.S. Did not the same lady in Dubliners have a little remark to make about a certain Italian composer?

The lady with the remark about Verdi was Mrs Mallins, Freddy’s mother:

“I understand that Mr Verdi’s morals are dubious … very dubious.”

The line is delivered with particular aplomb by Irish actress Marie Keane.

The conversation over Pius X’s motu proprio Tra le sollecitudini is noteworthy. Aunt Julia has just sung “Arrayed for the Bridal” from Bellini’s opera I Puritani (1835). Following the accolades, Julia says:

— Thirty years ago I hadn’t a bad voice as voices go.

— I often told Julia, said Aunt Kate emphatically, that she was simply thrown away in that choir. Bur she never would be said by me … No, continued Aunt Kate, she wouldn’t be said or led by anyone, slaving there in that choir night and day, night and day. Six o’clock on Christmas morning! And all for what?

–Well, isn’t it for the glory of God, Aunt Kate? asked Mary Jane, twisting around on the piano-stool and smiling.

Aunt Kate turned fiercely on her niece and said:
–I know all about the honour of God, Mary Jane, but I think it’s not at all honourable for the pope to turn out the women out of the choirs that have slaved there all their lives and put little whipper-snappers of boys over their heads. I suppose it is for the good of the Church if the pope does it, but it’s not just, Mary Jane, and it’s not right.

She had worked herself into a passion and would have continued in defence of her sister for it was a sore subject with her but Mary Jane, seeing that all the dancers had come back, intervened pacifically:

–Now Aunt Kate, you’re giving scandal to Mr Browne who is of the other persuasion.

Aunt Kate turned to Mr Browne, who was grinning at this allusion to his religion, and said hastily:
–O, I don’t question the pope’s being right. I’m only a stupid old woman and I wouldn’t presume to do such a thing. But there’s such a thing as common everyday politeness and gratitude. And if I were in Julia’s place I’d tell that Father Healy straight up to his face …

–And besides, Aunt Kate, said Mary Jane, we really are all hungry and when we are hungry we are all very quarrelsome.

–And when we are thirsty, we are also quarrelsome, added Mr Browne.

–So that we had better go to supper, saind Mary Jane, and finish our discussion afterwards.

[James Joyce, “The Dead,” Dubliners, with an introduction and notes by Terence Brown (New York: Penguin, 1993]

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