Re: Re: Metro North
First bluster and then ignorance……….
It is clear you are incapable of a rational argument; posting articles that have already been added and discussed as new makes it clear the Metro North argument doesn’t work.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0802/nama.html
The above is where the money will be required; 3 years finance costs in one day. Spending the money on job creation will actually repair the taxbase, metro north will damage it further
@marmajam wrote:
Once you take to fantasy and invented costings it tends to mean you’re backing a loser.
You say that by building a spur from the Malahide DART as an extension of the Interconnector, with enhanced signalling for higher frequency of services, the purpose of Metro North will be achieved with savings of 1,550 million Euros.
(Meaning the spur plus signalling costs 450m)
There is nothing fantasy about taking two rail projects currently under construction and applying those construction rates; it is called comparative analysis.
€2bn – €574m to build a Luas to Ballmun and 2 seperate spur lines to the Airport and Swords; the €100m was for additional signalling which will be needed anyway.
If the contingencies were not used the savings would be even higher; a saving of €1,326m is a minimum saving.
@marmajam wrote:
That is wildly incorrect.
At this time the final contract for MN is now expected to be in the region of 1.75 billion.
The source of this quote is? I forgot redaction press services ltd.
@marmajam wrote:
You have forgotten that you proposed a Luas to Ballymun as an alternative ‘high quality’ transport system.
Luas to Ballymun is high quality or are you saying that the density on O’Connell Street to Ballymun is higher than Stephens Green to Sandyford? Your costing at €500m for this section would have seen the original Luas project cost close to €2bn on a cost per kilometer basis.
@marmajam wrote:
Such a proposed line would have to go to the airport. It alone would cost in the region of 500 million.
The Pace extension at 7.5 kms or a cost of €160m on a project that is both longer and has simliar issues such as land acquisition and crossing major roads. Again double contingency was built in.
@marmajam wrote:
A white elephant between Dublin CC and the airport via Santry/Ballymun that allows no growth and congests the area further.
Show me one city where the strips of land parrallel to the runway of an airport is high density housing; for the most efficient operation of a city land use beside air and sea ports is reserved for logisitics and distribution uses.
@marmajam wrote:
When the earlier London tube lines were built – particularly the Metropolitan/District lines…..large sections of them were built through GREEN fields.
Show me one section of the Met or District lines that was built under 3 bed semi’s or green fields excluding parks. The Pace extension is the type of project as to how the met and to a lessor extent the district line found themselves in green fields. Building spurs off the northern line hits the same result but at a cost that is €1,326m lower.
@marmajam wrote:
IE will have to rebuild bridges on the Kildare line ( incorrect, already done),
Wire support structures still required.
@marmajam wrote:
that all ‘tube’ lines only use a 3rd rail (wrong – many major cities use overhead power lines),
You claimed that overhead was the only way to go before claiming that New York, Chicago, Paris and London ressembled Timbuktu.
@marmajam wrote:
that the RPA had designed the project with no outside expertise (wrong – Turner and Townsend world leaders were consultants).
The RPA as an agency have never built a metro they chose a condsultancy who do not according to their website claim to be the greatest
http://www.turnerandtownsend.com/FullStoryWithTouts.aspx?m=141
It is not the consultants who shape projects, it is the instructions they receive which in the case of this project have gone from spend as much as you like to do the cheapest job possible. Interestingly this is the only project they don’t put a value on; that speaks volumes
@marmajam wrote:
it was only a Luas line (wrong it has 4 times the capacity of Luas),
It is not able to take other networks by virtue of only having the same guage as Luas; it is therefore only comparable to luas if anythi8ng at all.
@marmajam wrote:
it would’nt connect with any other system (wrong it connects with DART, Luas Red etc),
The Dart network only goes from Greystones to Malahide/Howth, if the interconnector is built then it would connect with Dart. It would connect with the Luas Red Line but within 15 minutes walk of its terminus.
@marmajam wrote:
that the CBAs were predicated on ‘celtic tiger growth (wrong they were calculated on historic growth)……..
The Celtic Tiger commenced in Q4 1993 or ten years before the CBA was written; it took Celtic Tiger period figures because any other figures would be more relevant to the next 10 years looking forward i.e. 1983 – 1993. I wish it were different and that Nama weren’t the elephant in the room but decisions were taken and that is a more realisitic outcome if public finances are not rigidly controlled.
Given that an answer like “your mother shops in a skip” is likely to be your answer to the above; I am not going to bother to respond as you are living in the past. The future is about measured investment not that you will be investing your own money to beat the market.
