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8th May 2008
@scitilop wrote:

CologneMike – the taxpayers/UL Foundation didn’t pay for the UL Boathouse – it is currently being paid each year by the students as part of capitation.

8th May 2008
@Dreamstate wrote:

I wouldnt necessarily say that Mr.Daly has ‘raised the bar’ architecturally with either Riverpoint or The Marriott !

Also , Have you checked out the website of the Boat Club Schemes architects ?
Looks like they did a nice house extension once . . .

8th May 2008
@Dan Sullivan wrote:

Originally Posted by scitilop
CologneMike – the taxpayers/UL Foundation didn’t pay for the UL Boathouse – it is currently being paid each year by the students as part of capitation.

ULSU borrowed the money up front to spend on the boathouse and are going to buying that back from funds raised from the students via capitation. I’ve nothing personal against Limerick Boat club, but one does have to wonder what is served by building this in order to preserve a club on that site that couldn’t make a go of it on that site. What certainty is there that that club might not be wound up at some point after the building is finished and some other use made of the structure? None.

8th May 2008
@CologneMike wrote:

Originally Posted by Dreamstate
I wouldnt necessarily say that Mr.Daly has ‘raised the bar’ architecturally with either Riverpoint or The Marriott !

Jaysus Dreamstate, if you compare the quality of let say the Sarsfield Bridge Hotel in the image below with that of the Marriott Hotel.

It shows a distinct improvement in the quality of building in the city?

Also , Have you checked out the website of the Boat Club Schemes architects ?
Looks like they did a nice house extension once . . .

I did, had similar thoughts about their portfolio too . . . no track record . . . . should we be concerned here?


8th May 2008
@CologneMike wrote:

Originally Posted by scitilop
CologneMike – the taxpayers/UL Foundation didn’t pay for the UL Boathouse – it is currently being paid each year by the students as part of capitation.

Capitation :confused: Ah! . . . tax, fee, charge or grant of an equal sum per person.

Thats 10.000+ students, at how much a head?

Sounds like serious competition for the “poor” city rowing clubs.

Hmmm . . . I wonder would the UL Students Union ever consider investing in a LOI football team or greyhound racing. 😉

9th May 2008
@KeepAnEyeOnBob wrote:

Actually I think the old restored warehouse is nicely shown up against the Marriot etc. It’s even more of an interesting feature now with it being entirely freestanding and surrounded by the modern buildings.

The boathouse replacement looks monstrous. It would really block the view up the river and detract from the bridge. Surely any replacement should be discreet and at most two storeys in order to be no more obtrusive than the current building. The bridge is the more important feature.

10th May 2008
@Tuborg wrote:

This article appeared in one of the mid week editions of the Limerick Leader, it sure didn’t take long for the knives to come out for this one! Looks like they’ve been checking us out here on archiseek aswell!:D

Well Dan, are you going to seek a meeting with some of these councilors you refer to?

An Taisce to object to €20m development of Limerick Boatclub

Anne Sheridan

The heritage body An Taisce have said they intend to lodge an objection against the proposed €20m development on Sarsfield bridge which would see the Boatclub demolished in favour of a new modern building which would facilitate the rowing club.

Local An Taisce spokesperson Dan Sullivan said they will also be urging people to lobby their city councilors to ensure the Boatclub, which is a protected structure is not de-listed and they do not change the zoning of the site from open space to mixed use development.

“I would challenge each councilor in turn that might seek to renege on their previous position to explain what exactly has changed. It is sad that what was proving to be a thriving alternative music venue was shut down so the Boatclub building could be allowed lie vacant in order to justify this application,” said Mr. O’Sullivan.

He said he agrees that “the boat sheds aren’t exactly architecturally inspiring” but believes that the building should be retained.

The public have also been voicing their views on the proposed development on architectural websites and the local Limerick Blogger site since the Limerick leader exclusively revealed the full plans proposed by Fordmount developments last week.

Some bloggers described the plans as “a bloody disgrace” while others said they were “bold, ambitious and certainly a break from the norm.” one blogger on the architectural website, archiseek.com said “ I can see both sides of the argument – the developers want to create something modern and striking, while others want to see the past preserved.” Others said while they liked the designs drawn up by the Belfast based architects McCann Moore, they believed they may not be suitable for that location and instead should be located in another area of the city, such as the docklands.

Concerns regarding traffic flow during construction, if the development is given the go-ahead by the city planners on June 26th, was also expressed as a concern by a number of people.

Developer Michael Daly of Fordmount Developments has said he will simply “walk away from the plans” if the public are unhappy with the designs. “I really hope people will look at these plans and say “that’s fantastic.”

“That’s the reaction I want to get. If they don’t want it, we’ll forget about it. Its now a question of whether the city wants this building or not,” said Mr Daly.

To date, labour Councillor Joe Leddin, Fine Gael Cllrs Jim Long and Kevin Kiely have given the development the thumbs up.

Limerick Boatclub, who would be re-housed in the new four-storey development believe it is a “ win-win situation” for the rowing club. Independent Cllr Kathleen Leddin said she believes the current boatclub – which is a protected structure – should be upgraded rather than demolished.

29th May 2008
@justnotbothered wrote:

Btw, am about to submit my first ever planning objection, in relation to Limerick Boat Club, wish me luck!

6th June 2008
@Tuborg wrote:

Two items that came up for discussion at last weeks City Council meeeting. It looks like the proposal to redevelop the Limerick boat club site could be dead in the water! Sorry!:rolleyes: For the development to go ahead, the boat club would have to be removed from the list of protected structures and the site re-zoned, which would require the support of a majority of City Councillors

City councillors snub boat club proposals

City councillors have voiced strong objections to a proposed development on the site of Limerick Boat Club, insisting that the “modernistic and futuristic” design will take away from Sarsfield Bridge and its surroundings.

At this month’s city council meeting on Monday, Councillor Kathleen Leddin led a chorus of criticism of the joint application from the boat club and Fordmount Developments. “

This is the kind of development that will have to be looked at in a careful light. I think it will take away from the bridge, the monument on it and Shannon Boat Club on the other side. It’s a modernistic and futuristic building set in a very traditional area of Limerick. It’ll ruin the bridge, which has been there for years, with a big glass box,” she said of the proposed mixed-use development.

The plans aim to demolish the boat club—currently a listed building that has been located there since 1870—and create a four level, 4,215 square foot structure on Wellesley Pier.

It will incorporate offices, “civic space” and a restaurant and will also provide new pedestrian access at bridge level.

The boat club will be accommodated in the multi-million euro development, which was designed by Belfast based, McCann Moore Architects.

Cllr John Gilligan said that he was “appalled” at the proposals, which offer a “cheap answer” by using steel and glass for the ultra-modern design. “This will interfere with one of the most beautiful bridges in Ireland and also with the other boat club, which is very complementary. It’s appalling no matter what way you look at it. I would ask the council to protect the heritage of the city.”

Cllr Michael Hourigan asked “what will it look like in 25 or 50 years time?” while Cllr Maria Byrne referred to the design as “a monstrosity”.

Senior Executive Planner, Dick Tobin, warned councillors that plywood models often do not give a good overall impression. “In this case, we will probably be asking for visualisations of the plans in situ, particularly in the context of the surroundings and nearby buildings,” he said, adding that computer generated imagery would create a more accurate impression of the design.

For the project to go ahead, elected members will have to vote to remove the boat club from the list of protected structures and re-zone the site from to mixed use development instead of recreational use. A decision on the application is not expected until a later date in the summer.

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