Re: Re: Limerick Boat Club ~ Wellesley Pier ~ Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee ~ Sarsfield Bridge
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24th December 2006
Originally Posted by justnotbothered
Why risk losing one of unique buildings in Limerick when so much has laready been lost? Surely the council should be working on these areas before delisting historic buildings?
Originally Posted by justnotbothered
All in all, I think the view of LBC, Shannon Boatclub with the castle in the backround, from the Shannon bridge, is an iconic view of Limerick, and doesn’t need much improvement or destruction.
The two red brick buildings maybe listed, because they are a 100+ years old or so. If they are listed it still should not be a taboo to re-evaluate their status in light of the regeneration programme of the city especially with itâ€™s emphasis on the ‘riverside city project’. http://www.riversidecity.ie The new proposal is logically a good one for the Boat Club if of course they are part of the proposal. New facilities would bring more members into club and people onto the river. The Shannon River is a totally under utilised amenity in Limerick. Similar proposals would be good for St Michaelâ€™s on Cleeveâ€™s Bank and the Curragour Boat house along side the Court house.
Personally I see very little architectural merit or charm in those red brick buildings as compared to the Shannon Rowing Club on the other side of the bridge. In fact itâ€™s the cut-stone Sarsfield Bridge with itâ€™s once movable metal sections between Wellesley Pier and Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee that should be the major focus of attention and not these small add-ons.
Why not consider a third option which would see the Wellesley Pier return to itâ€™s original state just like Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee is today i.e. an open green space.
In my opinion by removing the red brick buildings it would:
(1) Greatly improve the view of the beautiful cut-stone bridge.
(2) Reveal the once movable part of Sarsfield Bridge.
(3) Wellesley Pier as an open green space would be accessible for every one.
(4) Docking permanently a sailing ship (Maritime Museum) along side Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee.
Image # 1: Poor state of Limerick Boat Club.
Image # 2: Attractive front of Shannon Boat Club.
Image # 3: Rear perspective of Shannon Boat Club.
Image # 4: Site spot for a Sailing Ship (Maritime Museum) as it originally was?
Image # 5: Rare scene of the movable bridge as it opens itâ€™s way to Arthurâ€™s Quay.
Image # 6: Original shot of Bridge with no Boat House at all.
By the way Christmas greetings 🙂 from the Rhine to all the other Shannon-side posters!
24th December 2006
Yeah, I agree those red brick buildings being knocked wouldn’t be much of a loss to the city, they are quiet an eyesore sometimes and are not of any architectural importance to me. On the other hand though the Shannon Boat Club is a highly impressive building and always looks stunning on a sunny day.
A Maritime Museum would be really nice but I don’t know whether it would take off as an attraction…although something that works well in European Cities is having Stationary Boats used as Restaurants. Something along those lines could be popular with local diners. If they removed the two red brick buildings i would like to see it used as a public area rather than some other developments, what I’d like to see there would be a public space with one of those coffee kiosks along the river in the summer like Cruises Coffee Co. on Bachelors Walk in Dublin.
Limerick really needs to focus on the river in the future. The Riverside City project just isn’t doing enough in my opinion, http://www.riversidecity.ie hasn’t been updated in a long time and their projects don’t seem to be arising. I think things like boat-trips and public areas along the river would really help Limerick’s Riverside. Limerick City Council should also try and promote the Canal in Limerick and the beautiful Marina we have.
4th February 2007
Also, I notice Cllr. O’Hanlon is referring to the bridge between Poor Man’s Kilkee and Limerick Boat Club as a seemingly done deal, and chatting to various sources, it seems that the usual standards will not apply to this development (one of the people involved was formerly very involved with the planning process in the city). I have seen the rough sketches, and i’s nothing to write home about. Even worse, Limerick Boat Club are restricted to very small areas on the ground floor, imo, the club is finished, but has decided to go out with a flourish by selling it’s heritage.
7th February 2007
Ah jayus JustNotBothered, donâ€™t torment us 😉 over the rough sketches, any chance of posting them or at least give us a sketch of your own from what you have seen?
7th March 2007
Mike, I can’t share the plans for the Boat club and it was silly of me to mention I’d seen them.
26th April 2007
YET ANOTHER towering 20-storey glass fronted building could soon dominate the Limerick skyline
The building is proposed for the riverside site at Limerick Boat Club, who, as part of the package, will be provided with a new headquarters, at the same location. The club is also promised a yearly financial bonus.
The Limerick Post has learned that Michael Daly, who acts for the Fordmount Consortium, is behind the project. Fordmount are responsible for the Marriott Hotel and shops on Bedford Row. It was earlier revealed a footbridge across the river, from the Boat Club to Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee, and leading into Bedford Row, was in the pipeline.
Concerns regarding the development have been expressed by Cllr Kathleen Leddin, who claims a developer has been in communication with City Council executives regarding the structure, to be built when the boat club is demolished.
The councillor, who earlier this week was told by director of services, Kieran Lehane that he was unaware of any preplanning process, called on the city planners to be sensitive to all aspects of the design plans, with particular relevance to the buildingâ€™s impact on the prime quayside site.
“We must be very careful that we donâ€™t ruin this vital part of the riverscape and also what we do with the Limerick Boat Club. Unfortunately, on the other side of the river, the Hilton Hotel complex is very disappointing, architecturally – we must ensure that whatever goes up here is vastly superior, more appropriate to its setting and more attractive to the eyeâ€.
Cllr Leddin told the Limerick Post that although she failed to receive confirmation of preplanning discussion, she is reliably informed that the project is in train.
When contacted, Mayor Joe Leddin who is a longstanding member of Limerick Boat Club, disclosed that a leading city developer is actively engaged in driving the project forward.
“The boat club, which was built in 1870, is in a rapidly declining state of repair and professionally, weâ€™ve been told that the best option is to demolish it and rebuild but financially, the club is in dire straits. The developer has come up with a deal on the basis that we surrender the site and he would build us a state-of-the-art boat club, slipways and the finance to buy new rowing boats. From the rents he secures from the upper floors of the building, which will be anything from 10 to 20 storeys high, he would pay us a fixed annual income, to be reviewed periodically. We would get a beautiful new club, great boat facilities and rowing on the river – as it is weâ€™ve almost ceased to exist.â€
“I can tell you there has been discussion with the officials in City Hall and the next step is to look at the drawingsâ€.
At a meeting of Limerick City Council, John Field, head of finance, said that as the boat club site is zoned residential, a rezoning would be required to facilitate commercial development.
Mayor Leddin points out that should the developer opt to install a gym, leisure centre and other sports facilities in the new building, a rezoning would not be required.
“As part of the project, a new footbridge would link the site with Poor Manâ€™s Kilkee. The city would retain one of the oldest boat clubs in the country and gain a new landmark building to enhance the riverside, but I share Cllr Kathleenâ€™s concern that the project must be one that will greatly enhance rather than diminish the riverscape,â€ he said.