Re: Re: ‘Dutch Billys’

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@Boooooog wrote:

Does anyone have a rough date for that lovely row of buildings on Fownes St, where Flip is?

Craig gives ‘1740s’ for this stretch

Some day someone is going to have to un-pick Fownes Street and see exactly what we’re looking at, I don’t trust those mansard roofs and the adjoining four-bay with the former carriage arch and diminishing number of windows in the top storey could be interpreted a number of different ways . . . all of them gabled, it goes without saying 🙂

@Boooooog wrote:

Correction. The name of that Sheridan Le Fanu story is An Account of Some Strange Disturbances in Aungier St, and can be found in Madam Crowl’s Ghost and Other Stories.

That’s interesting about the Sheridan le Fanu story being set in an Aungier Street house, are there descriptions of the building in the text do you know, or are you going to make us read the book to find out?

@Boooooog wrote:

I would be interested to hear anyone’s thoughts on this building on Lwr Baggot St/Ely Place. The gables are not of the same height, which is not too clear in the pic. Certainly the Ely Place end is on Roque, as to whether it’s the same building…

The Ely Place terrace [all now reconstructed pastiche except for the corner house] was always intriguing for it’s not-quite-mainstream architectural features – the un-rusticated stonework facing to the ground floor and the round-headed windows at both ground and first floor levels – but the quasi ‘Billy’ pediments on the side elevation are unlikely to be an original 1770s [or 80s] nod to the ‘Billy’ tradition and probably more likely to be a Victorian attempt to enliven the dull flanking elevation.

A small number of Dublin Georgians did have round-headed windows on the first floor, there are surviving examples on Camden Street and Thomas Street, and there is at least one image of a ‘Billy’ with this feature also, a house on the Coombe adjoining the hospital, to the west, but how reliable this representation is could be open to question, given the depicted glazing bar arrangement.

One of the valid criticisms of Dublin Georgian is the frequent lack of attention to corner sites, especially ones like the Ely Place/Baggot Street [or is this still Merrion Row?] corner where the site commanded such a prominant position and where the flanking street pre-dated the street that the terrace fronts onto. Almost certainly if this terrace had been developed during the ‘Billy’ phase the corner building would have been designed with ‘frontage’ to both streets. Blank flanked Billys were common too, but usually we can make the case that the secondary street was not envisaged at the time of construction, but if we go back another century or so, imagine what the cagework tradition would have done with a corner site like this.

Boooooog, I don’t think this corner is shown developed on Rocque, or indeed on Scalé’s up-dated version of Rocque.

site marked with an X on Rocque above and Scalé below

Ely Place is here labelled ‘Hume Row’

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