Re: Re: Dublin’s Bicycle Clutter

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@FXR wrote:

@gintyc wrote:

I’ll make this clear: There is NO law stopping cyclist from using polls, trees or posts as long as they are not blocking footpaths.

If you’d be so good gintyc, can you point out exactly where in the video Dublin’s Bicycle Clutter it says “bicycles are illegally locked to poles etc”. Where and at what point and can you quote the statement as it appears in the video.

I never said it appears in your videos, I was replying to your post.

@FXR wrote:

Also since you know the law on this issue can you provide the reference to the law that states specifically that bicycles can be locked to poles, trees and posts as long as they are not blocking footpaths?

That’s generally not the way the law works. There’s nowhere in legislation that says specifically says you can or cannot lock bikes to polls.

Again: It’s a non-issue.

@gunter wrote:

@Frank Taylor wrote:

‘. . . . . there are health benefits [ when I ride my bike ] . . . .’

There are health benefits, provided you don’t get creamed by a truck turning left

That’s like saying walking is good for you providing you don’t get knocked down crossing the road. The small chance of getting knock crossing a road is not a reason not to walk. Nor is the small chance of getting hit by a truck — just like crossing the road you act carefully.

@FXR wrote:

@Frank Taylor wrote:

Garda traffic corps would be wrong to prioritise low risk over high risk activities.

Based on talking to a few dozen Gardai this is the situation…

Asking all the different gardai you meet on the street about anything they’d likely have many different views. Asking random, rank and file gardai or other non-traffic corps officers about traffic issues is about as much value as a random newspaper voxpop — that is to say there is very little value.

@FXR wrote:

for a Garda to prosecute a cyclists for a minor offence he would have to issue a summons. This would require a day in court. There is also problem of actually obtaining a valid ID at the time of the offence or failing that requiring a cyclists to accompany the Garda to the station. In other words the situation as it stands is a farce. Who on earth would want the entire dwindling Garda force tied up court dealing with cyclists.

The important bit here is “minor offence” – it’s minor. If a garda wants to tackle a minor offence he or she already has a number of options such as warning somebody or issuing them with an ASBO.

As for “obtaining a valid ID” – that’s a non-issue. The problem is the same for a normal pedestrians or drunks late on a Friday night. Anyway, any decent garda (which most of them are) will have a good idea if they are being told the truth or being fed a pack of lies.

As already said: The reason there’s little enforcement of traffic laws regarding cycling is that most of them are minor, and it’s not just cyclists: There’s also little enforcement pedestrians breaking lights and things like motorists speeding in the city centre, motorists parking on footpaths or cycle lanes, and the problems mostly at rush hour of motorists blocking pedestrian crossings, advance stop lines for cyclists and junctions in general. Sadly, in the grand scale of things that the Traffic Corps has to handle, these things are mostly minor to them.

@FXR wrote:

Controlling cyclists in regard to cycling in pedestrian areas and on footpaths should be in the hands of cycle wardens or it should just be legalised.

Are we also going to have pedestrian wardens to find pedestrian who illegally cross at lights? Why are you obsessed with cyclists?

I’ve ended up with a minor but recurring injury because of a pedestrian illegally crossing at lights near the Spire. It was witnessed by a garda and she gave him an ASBO — I tried to explain myself for hitting him, she stopped me and said the pedestrian was totally in the wrong.

When are you going to make videos of pedestrians breaking lights?

@FXR wrote:

The figure last quoted in the Independent for people cycling into Dublin was 20,000 per day. Given the continuing increase in cyclists combined with the badly maintained roads, badly designed or absent cycle lanes and total lack of regulation and training do you think it’s more likely that one or more cyclists are going to be killed or injured?

This may sound strange but: Less and less people are likely to be killed or injured. As I’ve already said, the numbers of people cycling has been growing for years now and the numbers killed and injured is in decline.

As per this peer-reviewed paper (one of many on this subject) in the BMJ’s Injury Prevention journal:

Results: The likelihood that a given person walking or bicycling will be struck by a motorist varies inversely with the amount of walking or bicycling. This pattern is consistent across communities of varying size, from specific intersections to cities and countries, and across time periods.

Discussion: This result is unexpected. Since it is unlikely that the people walking and bicycling become more cautious if their numbers are larger, it indicates that the behavior of motorists controls the likelihood of collisions with people walking and bicycling. It appears that motorists adjust their behavior in the presence of people walking and bicycling. There is an urgent need for further exploration of the human factors controlling motorist behavior in the presence of people walking and bicycling.

Conclusion: A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear to be an effective route to improving the safety of people walking and bicycling.

Also: There’s already far more than 20,000 cyclists in Dublin per day, that figure you mention is likely only those at peek morning times. There’s 5,000+ trips on Dublin Bikes per day alone.

@FXR wrote:

I still think, as unlikely as it seems, that the only way cyclists behaviour will change is for cyclist to take it upon themselves to make it happen. In this country I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the powers that be to catch up.

You seem to think we’re all friends and it’s all one big club. We don’t all know each other and it’s not one big club. Being a cyclist is just like being a pedestrian or motorist, people are not responsible for the behaviour of others.

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