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@DubinCork wrote:

Central Government Lobbying,Private Enterprise,Cork Chamber of Commerce businesses when they realise that everyone in Cork is off to Killarney / Dublin / Thomond / London for concerts,sports events and shopping etc.As is currently the case.

Central Government will not fund it. It won’t pass any form of cost-benefit analysis. Private Enterprise will not fund it. It won’t be profitable.

I fail to see how a cable car up Patrick’s Hill will encourage people to stay in the city for concerts, sports, events and shopping. Now, if you’d suggested spending the money on a multi-discipline sports stadium or events centre, that is more likely to see government, if not private funding.

@DubinCork wrote:

You are assuming a lot about a cable car for 30m or a funicular railway which BTW were built all over Europe 100+ years ago – its not a new science.Cork actually had an extensive tram system which right now are being re-integrated in U.S. Cities yes the car dependent U.S. is re-introducing trolly busses ah la San Francisco.
Even Houston Texas has a Luas line which is being expanded.

LUAS cost €32m per km. That was using an established technology at a time when construction costs were lower. While the technology is substantially differentthe whole cost of laying tracks is there. You also need to put in place a winching mechanism. If anything, I’d say it was an underestimate.

Again, you’re broadening the issue. I’ve often posted in favour of Light Rail for Cork. I’ve suggested a number of alignments. But a light rail system is more obviously justifiable in terms of its benefits to the city.

@DubinCork wrote:

Is it open Sundays even along with the Museum in Fitzgerald Park ? Is it likely to attract visitors used to The Tate Modern,Musee De Orsee,The Baltic Mills,Albert Dock,Collins Barracks,Royal Hospital ? Hardly.

It’s closed on Sunday, but that can be changed. Realistically, you’re not going to be able to compete with the Tate Modern or the Musee D’Orsay. Even the last places on your list don’t do this. What I suggested was giving a focus towards building up the best collection of Irish Art from the last 50-60 years. It’s an achievable ambition and would attract in a number of visitors from around Ireland if properly marketed.

@DubinCork wrote:

Exactly most of the county of Corka attractions are outside the city – We are talking abot the city to keep tourists enjoying City atractiojns,pubs,restaurants,shops,hotels,newsagen ts etc. not send the money West ?

Cork has plenty of attractions in limited range of the city. What the city needs to do is make sure it can be a base for people who want to see these while on a short break. People will be able to go to Blarney, Midleton or Cobh, but will base themselves in the city and use the city’s hotels and restaurants. Nobody is going to go on a weekend break to Midleton or Blarney. Cork doesn’t attract many. Put the whole lot into a single package and you have a product you can push.

@DubinCork wrote:

Cork needs attractions,ideas,innovation,excitement not buses and apartments.

That depends on whether you think that the city should cater to its inhabitants or tourists first.

@DubinCork wrote:

Sensible ? Would Columbus have found America if someone said it was’nt sensible ? Cork is being left behind and no one here does anything about it – its happening slowly and surely.Visit Dublin some weekend,it has the facilities and is getting better facilities ALL the time in every field.Everey weekend ther is something on worth doing be it sport music or theatre etc.

Pie in the sky ? Was’nt The Eiffel Tower Pie in the sky ? The space needle Seattle ? The Astrodome Houston ?
The Pompodou Centre Paris ? The Funkturm Berlin ? London Eye ?

Cork has massive potential but zero ambition on a european scale not to mention a world scale.

This is an argument about the cable-car, not all potential projects in Cork. Each one has to be assessed on its merits The money doesn’t come from nowhere, it has to be justified. Have a look at the history of Montreal in the 70s and 80s if you want to see a city that went for a number of grand projects and nearly destroyed itself in the process. There is a limited pot at Central Government level. What Cork needs to do is work out how to get its just share. Proposing projects that won’t get through CBA is not the way to do this.

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