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@C Flower wrote:

Very helpful posting ONQ, thanks. It sounds as though everyone on this thread is based in Dublin. Spare a thought for those who aren’t 🙂

C Flower,

I am posting on a point of law, not excluing the other schools of architecture 🙂

If you read the Directives and the Statutory Instrument to which I referred, the legislation specifically mentions the qualifications from Bolton Street and UCD, and ONLY those qualifications.

This is because the Archtect’s Directive was written into EU Law in 1985 or thereabouts, when there were only two schools of architecture in the country.

The only other Irish Faculty at the time, Queens University, is in Northern Ireland, not the Republic.

ARIAI and MRIAI are termed “affixes” in the Directives, and as such are not qualifications, but it confers on them the same standing of EU recognition.

Around that period [1985-1995] these affixes [called “Certificates of Membership” by the ILS] along with the Memberships of several other organizations including

The Irish Architects Society
The Irish Branch of the Architect’s and Surveyor’s Institute
The Irish Branch of the Incorporated Association of Archtiects and Surveyors

were not accepted in and of themselves as entitling persons who held them to have their certificates accepted by the Incorporated Law Society, [ILS] because of concerns raised in relation to the fact that there were technician and student members in some of the named organisations and confusion migh arise.

This was defined in the Practice Note to Members dated 26th October 1994 Published in the October 1994 edition of the Law Society News.
The full list inter alia included persons of 10 years or more providing architectural services in Ireland, but excluded the ARIAI and MRIAI affix-bearers.

This was held to be a great endorsement of the schools at the time and enhanced the standing of their qualifications throughout Europe.

Compare this with today, when the RIAI have deemed persons with the qualifiction but not the affix to be merely “Graduate Architects” and unable to sign certs.

That results in; –

(i) a form of indentured servitude to Members of the Institutes by Graduates in order to get “approved work” leading to the Part III’s
(ii) undermines originality in design available to the public, since large practices seldom take risks in design leading to greater things.
(iii) limits the choice of architects available to the public during a recession, when small office/ sole traders can undercut large practices.

Are we seeing a pattern of protectionism here for RIAI Members and in particular larger offices, whether by design or default [sic], which are – co-incidentally – also full of fee- paying MRIAI’s, in the name of protecting the public?

I didn’t achieve my qualification twenty years ago – and work competently, diligently and honourably in the profession since then – to be told by a Legislature, whose only accountability is at the polls, and a Registrar, who seems to be accountable to nobody, that contrary to EU Directive and Irish Statute; –
(i) I’m no longer able to call myself an architect and
(ii) that I have no automatic right to be Registered

Post-graduates of both UCD and Bolton Street should ask the question of their respective Alma Maters:

“Why have you allowed the standing of my qualification be undermined; –
(i) so I can no longer call myself an architect BY RIGHT and/or
(ii) so I am not automatically entered in the Register of Architects BY RIGHT?”

The present situation seems to be have totally re-written the law in relation to the legal rights formerly enjoyed by post-graduates of both courses.

The utterances by the RIAI in their recent advertisement are now thrown into sharp relief:
“Would you trust someone who gained power andauthority over you via an Act that failed to respect your statutory rights?”
That’s a question that both this current minister and the registrat have yet to be asked in public – I ask it in this informal forum first.
Its something they must answer convincingly or be damned in the eyes of the public and the profession as mere usurpers of others rights.

On the matter of the other architectural colleges:
If they were in the legislation I would have mentioned them, but they don’t appear to be.

The other schools should be pressing for equal standing with the Minister of the Day, Bolton Street, UCD and the RIAI as Competent Bodies under Irish Law and should be seeking formal EU Recognition of their qualifications.

The EU Directive has been updated over the years as more countries have joined the EU and existing countries have added new titles/qualifications to the list, but you have to lobby and seek representation for this.

For the record, I was at the AAI awards last Friday night and there was a great showing from the other schools in the 2nd Year Competition – in fact, I think a young lad from Limerick won it.

Fair dues to him.


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