Re: Re: Before the Bulldozers: Images of a Doomed Suburb

@SunnyDub wrote:

@pippin101 wrote:

According to this logic, if you line the street with houses, you get community severance and complaints about noise; it you don’t, architects complain about blank walls and disconnection. You can’t win.

I agree, it’s a can’t win situation, damned if you do, damned if you don’t. What you want is the least worst outcome and that’s what the road is for. It eases traffic problems on other roads and will serve its distributor function well.

I think it’s time to give up on this debate, alonso. Our opponents appear to have resorted to talking among themselves, which is a sure sign they haven’t got a comeback to our questions/comments. I fear we’re debating with fans of Truthiness rather than truth.

No, we are divided between those who think with their head, and those who know with their heart.

Hey lads, I hear George Bush is looking for a new best friend.

I’ll say it one more time (and ignoring it doesn’t mean I’m wrong)-

It is not a can’t win situation.
Road ≠ street.
Building more roads does not ease traffic. It encourages it.
It may serve a distributor function (note the absence of ‘well’ from that clause), but that’s precisely the point- this prioritises (non-local) traffic over the needs of residential areas. If the benefits were indisputable, there may be a case for this road, but as has been demonstrated – repeatedly – the so-called benefits are anything but obvious, whereas the disbenefits are as clear as day.

@Andrew Bird – ‘Sovay’ wrote:

and i swear this time, yeah this time
they’ll blow us back to the seventies
and this time
they’re playin Ride of the Valkyries
with no semblance of grace or ease
and they’re acting on vagaries, with their violent proclivities
and they’re playing ride, playing ride
playing ride, ride, Ride of the Valkyries

ctesiphon, on behalf of the Factinistas.

PS Andy O- for the record, I’m from the area too, though now departed, and I think alonso may be from the area or environs. I don’t claim this gives me any special insight. I’d make the same comments about a road in Lucan or Swords assuming the circumstances were the same.