Re: Re: Alto Vetro, grand canal docks, dublin

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rumpelstiltskin
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@Smithfield Resi wrote:

Nice starting point for reasonable debate…calling holders of the opposite view idiotic.

I could equally express it as….

barrage of idiotic arguments for high rise: from the (false) claim that they would make Dublin a ‘modern city’, to the (equally false) argument that high rise buildings will increase density in Dublin, as if that were even the point.

How exactly is a low/medium rise city less open-minded?

Are you saying that architects cannot express contrast and sculptural effects in less than 15 storeys? Really?
http://thomasmayerarchive.de/details.php?image_id=86095&l=english

Equally, the uniformity of the rooflines of the grand Georgian terraces is part of their beauty, Without the need to ‘punctuate’ the skyline (god, I loathe that word)

Define substantial. That seems to be the crux of the debate….

Since you bring up the inevitable phallic allusion, is the frustration at the lack of high-rise expressed by the ‘we want it big and tall and now!’ brigade a primeaval fear of impotence? 😀

Ok, here goes:
1.Dublin is not a low/medium rise city, it is a low rise city. People are even afraid of medium rise. And it betokens an almost obsessive Victorian conservatism. I happen to think that medium/high rise makes up a good proportion of the modern architectural idiom, but apparently Dublin, with its grotty 1960s monstrosities and crumbling Georgians is above (or below) all that.
2. I didn’t say you can’t express contrasts in less than 15 storeys. But by limiting yourself to less than fifteen storeys you consequently limit the range of possible effects. I think a good modern city has a good mix of such effects, but Dublin is limiting itself to only one model.
3. Would you not call the Four Courts a punctuation? Or St. Stephen’s church?
4. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the “our buildings are bigger than your buildings” mentality. Competition is crucial to creativity. The fact is that most people in Ireland would like to have a gleaming capital city with great architecture and magnificent skyscrapers. It simply sends a message that anything others can do, we can do just as good. Yet we continue to treat Dublin as a provincial city, even as a town. It’s a capital city and it needs monumental over-the-topness.

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