Where and where not to put a bike rack

I know there is an issue about the advertising and the street clutter and all of that, but these civic rent-a-bikes are a great idea.

DB run them in Germany and you know that you can always find one outside any train stations. That tracking device is invaluable, even when you are totally lost, some guy in Hannover knows exactly where you are.

I agree with the overall sentiment Missarchi – I often wonder if any thought goes into the placing of bike stands in the city. Im not sure this is a good example though. I would have thought this was a good spot for the free bikes. After all in a few years if will the doorstep of Grand Central Dublin

The only problem being there’s a large (and usually full) bike rack for private bikes in that location.
Where will those be moved to?

While I agree it is a good spot, I afraid to tell ye that it is also the same spot where the Metro Tram/Dart Interconnector exits for the Stephens Green station are going to be.

@weehamster wrote:

While I agree it is a good spot, I afraid to tell ye that it is also the same spot where the Metro Tram/Dart Interconnector exits for the Stephens Green station are going to be.

What? You mean there has been no planning into where the rental bikes stands are going to be placed?

Gee and there was I thinking that we were all going to get nice “free bikes” for the city :rolleyes:

I again note that the billboards are going up and there’s no sign of the bikes – not even one planning application! But what there is are billboards at Dean Street and also outside Crumlin Shopping Centre.

If anybody wants to see the real level of commitment that DCC has to cyclists, please see the thread Cycling in Irish Cities

In fact since that thread, with the exception of the city centre ban on artic trucks, things have actually got far worse and more dangerous in terms of cycling provision in Dublin – and it is my intention to add a few snaps and points to thread over the next few days 😡

What? You mean there has been no planning into where the rental bikes stands are going to be placed?
Gee and there was I thinking that we were all going to get nice “free bikes” for the city

😀

n fact since that thread, with the exception of the city centre ban on artic trucks, things have actually got far worse and more dangerous in terms of cycling provision in Dublin – and it is my intention to add a few snaps and points to thread over the next few days

Toally agree.

But its not just the city centre. A neighbour of mine, while heading home, was killed on his bike on the cycle lane, last week on the Malahide Road near Clontarf Golf Club by a truck. He didnt drive, only cycled everywhere. He also had a safety helmet and reflector belt on. 🙁

Several years ago, when I use to cycle everywhere too, I was knocked down 3 time on the Malahide Road cycle lane. The last time shattered my wrist which took nearly a year to heal.

Im sorry but cycling in Dublin is dangerous. Fully seperate cycle lanes is the ONLY WAY to insure REAL safety to cyclists. 😡

weehamster the key to improving safety is at junction treatments rather than along the links. There’s no point in having segregated lanes everywhere if a left turn only lane crosses it at a junction for example. The other key is driver and cyclist training which is poxy in Ireland.

@hutton wrote:

In fact since that thread, with the exception of the city centre ban on artic trucks, things have actually got far worse and more dangerous in terms of cycling provision in Dublin – and it is my intention to add a few snaps and points to thread over the next few days 😡

Arguably, the city centre ban on 5 axle HGVs has worsened conditions for cyclists on the quays.

weehamster- I disagree. The only way to ensure real safety for cyclists is to take cars off the road. As that’s not going to happen (any time soon, at any rate) alonso’s post is spot on.

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i may be making a submission if you have any ideas

BUT unless these guys put there money where there mouth is we have no hope

[Im sorry but cycling in Dublin is dangerous. Fully seperate cycle lanes is the ONLY WAY to insure REAL safety to cyclists. :mad:[/QUOTE]

they’d have to be wide enough to allow big blokes on mountain bikes to get around the Bromptons

@missarchi wrote:

i may be making a submission if you have any ideas

Fewer exclamation marks; fewer ellipses; spellcheck.

yeoooww saucer of milk to the contributor in the corner!:D

Guilty! 😉

But, knowing (I think) the person who’ll have to read those submissions, good grammar would be a pre-requisite.

Which should be true for all aspects of life, but, y’know, we pick our battles.

Consider it friendly advice, shamro.., I mean missarchi.

This typical responce which I hear soo many times before really gets up my wick. 😡

Sorry people. Maybe I didnt make my self clear enough.

My neighbour was killed ON the cyclelane
I was knock down 3 time ON the cycle lane

You all need to wake up. Vehicles wander into the cycle lane and until there are bollards along cycle lanes (like O’Connell Street for example), vehicles will continue to wander into the cycle lane and kill or hurt people.

Cyclist = human flesh & bone around a metal frame
Motorist = metel frame around human felsh & bone
Cyclist V’s Motorist …The Motorist win’s EVERY time.

@ctesiphon wrote:

Guilty! 😉

But, knowing (I think) the person who’ll have to read those submissions, good grammar would be a pre-requisite.

dustin the turkey is my brother!!! :p you don’t need to spell it out in plainip english :rolleyes:

our family was found on broken english…

douze points ctesiphon :p dustin will help you see the light with his disco balls and fat divas :D:D:D

Im only guilty of supporting dustin the turkey…. I hope you support my brother too;)

he needs all the help he can get!!!!! even if he is retarted

weehamster… i have been attacked bus taxi drivers and buses…

if gromely wants to prove he is not a puppet known as mr swiggle

he will introduce 5 million euro fines for maiming and killing, loss of house, and a life ban on driving
compulsory cycling 2 days a year for all politicians once in the rain and once in summer
it will be know as the political cycle day the route/time will be chosen by the dead cyclists family’s and no police escorts allowed!!! send them on the m50 cycle way at night (joke)

1000 euro tax offset for not owning a car
2000 euro fee for each business that has a car or truck

money talks and legs walk :confused:

I told people ‘Care in the Community‘ would lead to this.

@weehamster wrote:

I’m sorry but cycling in Dublin is dangerous. Fully seperate cycle lanes is the ONLY WAY to insure REAL safety to cyclists. 😡

Agreed. If only we didn’t have to find room on many of the footpaths for the JC Decaux junk we might be able to squeeze a few in.

Don’t want to tread on hallowed ground, but urban cyclists are the biggest bunch of ignorant, self-centred b******s in creation. The nearest I’ve come to being knocked down is by mad cyclists on the pavement. I share your pain, but your argument is with the motorist and you have no right to: (a) cycle on the pavement; (b) jump lights; or (c) cycle at night without lights. But apparently you think you do…

@johnglas wrote:

Don’t want to tread on hallowed ground, but urban cyclists are the biggest bunch of ignorant, self-centred b******s in creation. The nearest I’ve come to being knocked down is by mad cyclists on the pavement. I share your pain, but your argument is with the motorist and you have no right to: (a) cycle on the pavement; (b) jump lights; or (c) cycle at night without lights. But apparently you think you do…

while i agree i disagree

being knocked out cold or a small headache is small fry to having your brain split in half and your body being unrecognizable…

riding on the footpath is safer…. i’m sure you would prefer your 4 year old on the footpath than on the road…

I have been run off the road and would have been attacked if I was not outside a spar why?? because I gave the finger back to the taxi driver…

this thread should be merged into the other and every one can tell there stories!!!!

The people in DCC are not cyclists, this is evident. There is nobody in that department of the corporation that has a passion for cycling.

Exhibit 1

Cyclists are expected to swerve around this obstacle. Absolutely no advance warning given – just a fuck off pole in the middle of the track. You can either swerve onto the busy road, or the footpath. No advance warning given to drivers of “merging” cyclists. No curb, no road markings, no warnings given to cyclists, no warning given to pedestrians. Dismount here and shut up, I guess.

Compare with the NL. “‘Obstruction ahead”


Exhibit 2.

The Docklands – you’d think they’d get it right here, but no. No directional track markings saying I cannot merge on this road. No advance warning of obstruction. No ramp. No road marking or signage warning drivers of cyclists “merging” on road. No priority given to bikes merge into traffic. I mean, what the fuck are these people on? Not bikes anyway,

Exhibit 3

What a complete and utter mess. A fine example of DCC’s contempt for the needs of the cyclists of Dublin.

They should have installed steel wheel-grips at 45 degree angles for us to wedge our front wheels into – just like in the NL. Instead, they’ve provided ten “multi-use bars”. God forbid your bike is locked/tangled to someone else’s. I mean, c’mon. Can anyone shed some light on this? Is it a lack of funds, or a complete lack of brain power?

and again:

20 bikes crammed into a space that could provide 50 spaces. Tisk tisk. My Dutch friends laughed at this ridiculous arrangement. Fine, but this is 2008, not 1988. Haven’t the numbskulls in the Corpo learned ANYTHING? It’s embarrassing to say the least.

Parking in the NL:The way it should be done.

@missarchi wrote:

dustin the turkey is my brother!!! :p you don’t need to spell it out in plainip english :rolleyes:

our family was found on broken english…

douze points ctesiphon :p dustin will help you see the light with his disco balls and fat divas :D:D:D

Im only guilty of supporting dustin the turkey…. I hope you support my brother too;)

he needs all the help he can get!!!!! even if he is retarted

weehamster… i have been attacked bus taxi drivers and buses…

if gromely wants to prove he is not a puppet known as mr swiggle

he will introduce 5 million euro fines for maiming and killing, loss of house, and a life ban on driving
compulsory cycling 2 days a year for all politicians once in the rain and once in summer
it will be know as the political cycle day the route/time will be chosen by the dead cyclists family’s and no police escorts allowed!!! send them on the m50 cycle way at night (joke)

1000 euro tax offset for not owning a car
2000 euro fee for each business that has a car or truck

money talks and legs walk :confused:

you should try cycling between the lines rather than snorting them

@wearnicehats wrote:

you should try cycling between the lines rather than snorting them

Leave the lady be, I reckon. She’s not being mean. 🙂

missarchi: What was your 4-year old doing out on a bike in traffic? I jest, but there is areal problem here. I have a beautifully-delineated cycle-path outside my block of flats in Glasgow’s posh West end. It’s so handy for parking the BMW (not mine). And guess what? Cycle-lanes are not statutory in the UK and there is therefore no offence in parking on them! So no-one has it right. Except perhaps the Dutch with shared road surfaces, but everybody then has to be extra-vigilant – even 4-year olds.

if they don’t start young they never will start

( the only lines you want to see are the car tyres on someones crushed skull while you where driving high ) 😮

Bike racks designed for wedging front wheels into are a more efficient use of space but are by far the most unsafe.

The only fully secure way to lock a bike is through the frame. Better bike rack designs are needed

perhaps individual front-wheel locks, with an associated bar (like the one they’re deploying everywhere) at crossbar height for the more security conscious of us? it also would more clearly seperate each set of 2 ‘parking spaces’ from each other.

Spectacularly wrong message: I don’t drive!

@Landarch wrote:

Bike racks designed for wedging front wheels into are a more efficient use of space but are by far the most unsafe.

The only fully secure way to lock a bike is through the frame. Better bike rack designs are needed

Ah yes, but it is really rather simple to turn the bike around and lock the back wheel and through the frame onto this type of rack…. has never failed me. with a short lock I think its the safest mathod of locking a bike and far more space efficent than most of the bike ‘railings’ that litter the streets around city centre which are almost always impossible to find a space in…

Ah yes the old reverse move. I have a fat tyred mountain bike that always gets jammed before I can wedge it in properly. Oh God, I was going to elaborate further but the amount of inuendo is unacceptable.

I’m glad I’m not the only one that was tittering then so.

@johnglas wrote:

Don’t want to tread on hallowed ground, but urban cyclists are the biggest bunch of ignorant, self-centred b******s in creation. The nearest I’ve come to being knocked down is by mad cyclists on the pavement. I share your pain, but your argument is with the motorist and you have no right to: (a) cycle on the pavement; (b) jump lights; or (c) cycle at night without lights. But apparently you think you do…

I think your point johnglas is that a disproportionate number of cyclists are aggressive, risk-adverse: mad, but, well have you tried cycling in Dublin, fewer cars, less craziness, more segregated lanes, fewer pedestrians wandering on cycle lanes and sensible junctions and I am sure there would be lots of nice people cycling too and the aggressive mad ones would fall in with an altogether nicer gentler urban cycling culture.

notjim: of course.