Pedestrianize dublin!

Thats all well and good but where will the traffic go? Dublin needs those arterys

And what are those coloured lines?

I think the coloured lines are where the maglev monorails go.

If not completely pedestrianized, more pedestrian friendly. Lift the level of the road to path level and use a pedestrian surface, setts. Slow the cars down and help the route read more pedestrian prioritised.

Pedestrian route between Westmoreland Street/D’Olier Street across O’Connell Bridge and onto O’ Connell Street is an urban assault course. Very uncomfortable journey.

I think pedestrianisation of College Green would be a good start, and now seems to actually be being considered.

I think Westmoreland St is to be closed off to private transport. College green could do with pedestrianisation alright.

why is everybody so keen on pedestrianisation? after the shops close at night they become scary places, a canyon of roller shutters and a few drunks loitering about that you have to try and walk aroud without catching their attention. Everyone cites the Ramblas in Barcelona as a perfect urban boulevard but in case you have not noticed only the central median there is pedestrianised. Buses, cars, cyclists and pedestrians all give a city its vitality but I reckon the trick is not to let any particular one of those dominate. I think O`´Connell Street is now a good example where traffic can still flow but there is a sense of space for the pedestrians. Im not sure if anyone agrees with this but some of the most unpleasant places in Dublin after dark are Henry Street and Grafton Street.

I COMPLETELY disagree. Henrey Street can be a bit eerily quiet after dark, but Grafton Street, with its numerous nearby cafes, bars, restaurants and pubs is always lively. Grafton Street wouldn’t be half the street it is today if it hadn’t been pedestrianised.
I have been to Santiago and a huge area of that city’s centre is pedestrianised and I thought it worked brilliantly.

Vienna inside the Ringstrasse too.

Henry Street is quiet because there isn’t a single premises open on it after 9pm from the Spire to Keating’s Pub. It’s not lively but it’s actually quite a nice walk late in the evening.

blaise, its not about pedestrianising everything its about creating pedestrian friendly routes. The north-south axis between St. Stephens Green and Parnell Square is the most prominent and inmportant route and has a strong destination/termination point

its doesnt have to be 24 hr no cars!!!!! but some key axis it might help…

The biggest problem with henry st is the rents and out door seating…
Which gears it towards retail… and the narrow width…

Dublin City Council need to reconsider the prices for outdoor seating but this will only be effective if they draw up future vision for this whole concept… because at the moment there is no space for them…

PTB Re: Pedestrianize dublin! Thats all well and good but where will the traffic go?
Dublin needs those arterys

And what are those coloured lines?

arterys are blocked!!!!!! = heart attack!!!!

traffic is easy….

taxis pick up from the green or parnell square or even oconnell street later at night
and east west of the liffey

north east south west

bus drivers will be offered first dibs for metro jobs with the same union?

when the metro/interconnector is in buses will no longer need to cross the city instead of waiting 1 hr just to cross the river its 5 minutes

the colored lines are abit wrong!!!! but you get the idea…

This idea of a north south axis was one of the broader proposals made in a document for the regeneration of Parnell Square. Can’t remember the name of the architects

Howley Harrington, since gone their separate ways.

Previously discussed here, iirc. https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3777

Shame they went separate ways, the Parnell Square plan was excellent.

Both still working, I should have added- Sean Harrington Architects and Howley Hayes Architects, afaik.

Not sure which practice, if either, is responsible for the implementation of the Parnell scheme.

Also the plan for the “Grand Civic Thoroughfare” from O’Connell St to Christchurch… dunno what exactly the idea was there.

Pedestianise away, but fill with Luas lines to keep movement on the streets – simple continental solution that works

http://www.dublinbus.ie/about_us/pdf/BAC_06_no_pics.pdf

you get how much money they spend on fuel…
the number of km
the number of people

you could calculate the number people based on km or time???

but in reality you would need detailed traffic study???

Is it ture the average bus speed is 6 km an hour in peak hour???

Also the plan for the “Grand Civic Thoroughfare” from O’Connell St to Christchurch… dunno what exactly the idea was there.

You have had a hard day and you need to walk to the top to get your fish and chips!!!!

honestly its a strange axis but i think it would be cool…
its also dublin city’s highest point???
just need to bulldoze jurys and those old apartments and the banadios charity!!!

once a metro station goes in there there may be a good case for a public square and some corn…

@shamrockmetro wrote:

Is it ture the average bus speed is 6 km an hour in peak hour???

That’s the average speed of all traffic in Dublin, say buses would be a bit quicker with bus lanes (even with stops)

@Rory W wrote:

That’s the average speed of all traffic in Dublin, say buses would be a bit quicker with bus lanes (even with stops)

Within the canal ring, some routes get below 6 kph, but beyond the canals higher speeds bring the overall average speed up quite a bit. 15 kph rings a bell.

The DTO does monitoring of QBCs, I think- perhaps they have accurate data on this?

i counted 21 buses in dawson st tonight…

some one should just join them all together

I now know why the city is congested and it takes 1 hour to cross the city!!!!

With all the Green Party’s bleating…it could be worthwhile to investigate if the yellow whoppers pootling around the narrow streets of Dublin are contributing significantly to the congestion. Personally, it seems to me that there’s frequently more buses than private transport on the quays, Dame St/College Grn/ Westmoreland St and O’Connell St.

@shamrockmetro wrote:

I now know why … it takes 1 hour to cross the city!!!!

By bike it doesn’t.

i can be speedy gonzalos too… or road runner…

when will dublin bus accept that its buses that are causing congestion in the city!!!!
We need to move the buses stations to the outskirts of the city once the metro is in…

Did anyone see the article in the irish times on friday they want to ban private cars in front of trinity
I think they should ban luas and buses

I hope DCC take a more proactive display by making cycle lanes equal width as a road lane across the city

Sydney addicted to cars, needs people space-study

SYDNEY, Nov 30 (Reuters) – Sydney is being choked to death by cars and cut off from its best asset, the harbour, by a freeway and rail link, according to renowned Danish urban designer trying to rejuvenate the city.

The city is regarded as one of the world’s most naturally beautiful and has regularly been voted as one of the top destinations in international tourist polls.

But a plan to make Sydney more people-friendly by architect Jan Gehl found city streets were often in shadow due to high-rises, which formed concrete and glass canyons of high wind velocity, and that its open spaces were also bland.

“Sydney CBD (central business district) was filled up to the brim with car traffic 30-40 years ago. But this situation has remained unchallenged and unchanged ever since,” Gehl told Reuters via email.

“Climate challenge, oil shortages and lifestyle changes will see most Western cities change from the car orientation of the 1950s to a much more sustainable and healthy agenda.”

Gehl will present the plan to the city council, which had commissioned it, on Monday. He has prepared similar studies for London, Copenhagen, Wellington, Stockholm, Rotterdam and Zurich.

He said several cities such as Lyon, Copenhagen and Melbourne had improved their city centres to make them more attractive.

GRIDLOCKED WASTELAND?

Sydney enjoys a “distinctive topography” with its grand harbour and undulating landscape providing “significant character”, said a draft of Gehl’s plan.

Current harbourside development will see a 12-km (7.5 mile) walk along the foreshore from Woolloomoloo in the east, past the main ferry terminal of Circular Quay, to Pyrmont in the west.

But massive infrastructure in the city sees 150,000 vehicles passing through the centre and another 80,000 through its parklands, cutting the city off from the harbour.

“Circular Quay where the city does access the water is downgraded by a bulky ferry terminal and a likewise railway embankment as well as low quality retail,” the draft said.

“Darling Harbour is isolated, not only by closed frontages but also by an intersecting freeway.”

Former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating has described Sydney as an “architectural wasteland” saved only by its harbour.

Gehl said he agreed in part with the criticism. “We have found great things in Sydney CBD, but mainly at the edges and other aspects are not so remarkable,” he said.

Sydney was an ideal size for pedestrians, taking 12 minutes to walk across from east to west and 30 minutes south to north, said Gehl’s plan. But pedestrian priority was low and there was a lack of cycling facilities, despite Sydney having excellent natural conditions for a strong cycle culture.

Gehl said there were several ways for Sydney to reach a “new balance”, citing a congestion charge on cars in London and Stockhol and Copenhagen’s reduction of car parking spaces.

His plan calls for Sydney to develop car free streets, shift transport hubs from the city centre to its periphery and develop a low cost or free lightrail the length of the city.

The plan also controversially calls for the demolition of two major commuter routes — the western distributor freeway and the freeway and rail link above the ferry terminal.

“San Fransisco had central freeways crumbling after the (1989) earthquake. They were removed and have not been replaced. The city is happily living with less traffic in the centre,” Gehl said.

@shamrockmetro wrote:

Did anyone see the article in the irish times on friday they want to ban private cars in front of trinity

I think they should ban luas and buses

And how shall we travel in this planet of yours?

???

No, you idiot.

How shall we travel around Dublin without Buses and Luas?