phibsborough

Are they intending to put something on the city basin?

To answer my own question, the whole draft plan is at

http://www.dublincity.ie/business_services/planning/local_area_plans/preparation_of_draft_local_area_plan_for_phibsborough_mountjoy.asp

and it includes the building of a “Lido” at the basin, I think this is a swimming area but I amn’t sure, it was also a giant nightclub in Douglas on the Isle of Mann. The plan includes a picture from Berlin of a sort of swimming pool floating in a river. Perhaps this is a lido.

How does the dalymount plan tally with the albion properties planning permission at the front of the site. I’m curious because as far as I know their scheme has no gap in the middle and yet the draft framework proposes one.

Yes, good question, I don’t know if that plan is still being considered since it involved being allowed to build under the stand in return for a new stand, no point if there is no pitch.

@jdivision wrote:

How does the dalymount plan tally with the albion properties planning permission at the front of the site. I’m curious because as far as I know their scheme has no gap in the middle and yet the draft framework proposes one.

In short it doesn’t at all. The urban designer didn’t do a planning search or else is good friends with Liam Carroll and wants to wind up Pascal Conroy/Albion/GVA/Tesco by airbrushing the extant PP out of the equation.

This one will run and run..

Whats peoples opinion of these LAPs?
One is being prepared for each of the Prime urban Centres identified under the development plan. What are the main issues they should try and tackle? Is there an effective framework that can really control planning and development while stimulating economic activity and creativity in design?
Be interested to hear peoples opinions and any ideas about how the city council can achieve this?

Apologies for going slightly off topic, but does anyone know if there is a similar LAP in the pipeline for Rathmines?

So there was an article about this in the post on sunday, about the phibsboro draft lap. nothing in it people probably don’t already know, it was the post so the focus was on the shopping center and dalymount, basically albion owns the shopping center and carroll dalymount, albion have planning permission since 2005 to redevelop the shopping center, building to the street line and keeping the existing tower, carroll has trouble with access, particularly since there is a dispute between him and albion over a strip of land at the back of the stand. the council are hoping that the possibility of developing the whole site will prompt one developer to buy out the other, but there is nothing to stop albion going ahead with their existing plan. i certainly hope the council gets its wish, the larger development would be fantastic for the area.

the article also mentions the other headline items in the lap: the revelopment of the printworks, the basin at the back of mountjoy, the new street through to mountjoy and the new train station by crossguns bridge. no mention of the lido though.

@notjim wrote:

So there was an article about this in the post on sunday, about the phibsboro draft lap. nothing in it people probably don’t already know, it was the post so the focus was on the shopping center and dalymount, basically albion owns the shopping center and carroll dalymount, albion have planning permission since 2005 to redevelop the shopping center, building to the street line and keeping the existing tower, carroll has trouble with access, particularly since there is a dispute between him and albion over a strip of land at the back of the stand. the council are hoping that the possibility of developing the whole site will prompt one developer to buy out the other, but there is nothing to stop albion going ahead with their existing plan. i certainly hope the council gets its wish, the larger development would be fantastic for the area.

the article also mentions the other headline items in the lap: the revelopment of the printworks, the basin at the back of mountjoy, the new street through to mountjoy and the new train station by crossguns bridge. no mention of the lido though.

Without wishing to be too pedantic Carroll does not in effect own Dalymount until he has handed over a turnkey new stadium to Bohemian Football Club-A site is mooted at Harristown near the airport but this process is far from reaching even inception phase, there are a lot of hoops to be jumped through befiore Phibsborough gets a shiny new village core-Will be intersting to see how this pans out-the pre-draft consultation stuff on the corpo’s website has the flavour of an aspirational urban design framework than a bone-fide LAP at the moment IMO.

http://www.dublincity.ie/Planning/OtherDevelopmentPlans/LocalAreaPlans/Pages/PhibsboroMountjoyDraftLocalAreaPlan.aspx

The Draft LAP is out for Public consultation.

http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/mountjoy-prisons-urban-village-1314126.html

Indo’s review of the Phibsborough LAP.

It was all in Business Post and Irish Times already to be honest. No major surprises that I can see

No lido in the new version!

One of the most exciting parts of this plan is the plaza: by clearing the clutter from the north of the Mater and cuting a triangle out of the prison site, it is proposed to have a plaza bisected diagonally by the NCR, that would be a great addition to the area and quite grand with the Mater on the southern edge and, hopefully, exciting, tall, new build along the north. Unfortunately, like a lot of the plan, it isn’t so clear how the DCC can achieve this, it would require the nuns demolish their new, awful, convent and cede land.