Luas faces delay until 2005 – Offical
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- August 31, 2003 at 11:39 am #706414
Niall
ParticipantLuas faces delay until 2005 – rail agency
31/08/03 SB Post
By Sean Mac Carthaigh, Political Reporter
Dubliners may not be travelling on the Luas until 2005, and the project is in danger of degenerating into a bitter row between client and contractor, the state agency in charge of building the light rail system has admitted.
Frank Allen, the chief executive of the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) wrote to Eoin Ryan TD, the head of the Oireachtas Committee on Transport, saying the body did not know when the project would be finished or how much it would cost.
He said he feared a “collapse into mutual recrimination between client and contractor” that could last “several years”.
This weekend, Ryan warned
that the Luas faced the prospect becoming “a fiasco”, and demanded urgent action by the RPA.
In 1996, the government said the Luas would be built for »220 million (e279 million), and that it would be in operation by 2001. Two years ago, the cost had more than doubled to €635 million and the start date put back to 2003.
Now, sources say the cost is headed for €1 billion, and that the two unconnected lines will not be in service before 2005.
Ryan wrote to the RPA earlier this month expressing alarm at traffic delays, missed construction deadlines and poor site management.
In his letter of reply, Allen said he shared Ryan’s fears about missed deadlines, and added: “RPA is endeavouring to receive credible assurances regarding schedules to completion.” He said the RPA was now trying to avoid the project being derailed because of a bitter row over who was to blame for delays.
Playing fast and Luas
31/08/03 00:00
By Sean Mac Carthaigh, Political Correspondent
The state agency in charge of building the Luas light rail system does not know when it will be finished or how much it will cost, and fears a “collapse into mutual recrimination between client and contractor” that could last “several years”.
A letter from Frank Allen, chief executive of the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) to Eoin Ryan TD, chairman of the Oireachtas Committee on Transport, reveals that the project is now in deep trouble.
Ryan this weekend warned that the Luas was in danger of becoming “a fiasco” and demanded that the RPA adopt a hands-on ap-proach. His committee is likely to summon key players to Leinster House
to explain themselves.
Ryan wrote to the RPA earlier this month expressing his alarm at the way the Luas project had evolved. He pointed to:
unnecessary traffic delays & missed construction deadlines
failure to deal with disrupted businesses
poor site management & lack of concern for pedestrians
the `hands-off’ approach of the RPA
In the reply, Allen said he shared Ryan’s fears about missed deadlines, and added: “This does give us cause for concern about the reliability of the contractor’s completion dates for the overall project.”
Allen said AMB JV, the contractor, had claimed that many delays had been caused by factors outside its control, such as additional requirements by local authorities, and archaeological finds.
“RPA is endeavouring to receive credible assurances regarding schedules to completion,”Allen said.
Such discussions and negotiations were part of all large infrastructure projects, he said, and the RPA was trying to maintain a balance between penalising underperformance and cooperating with the contractor to get the job finished.
He said that he believed that AMB JV had the experience and skills to complete the job “within the timeframe that the contractor has indicated to us”, but said this would require “maximum commitment and application of resources”.
But the RPA chief raised the spectre of the project being derailed by a row. “Major infrastructure projects sometimes collapse into mutual recrimination between client and contractor, with the merits of the arguments being resolved by an arbitrator several years hence,” Allen wrote. “We are trying to avoid such a situation.”
Ryan this weekend characterised the letter as “remarkable”.
“I am amazed that such a major piece of infrastructural work has been allowed get to this situation,” he said.
“There seems to be complete lackof hands-on management on the ground – and no concern about the effect it is having on the city.
“I can’t understand why, when certain milestones were reached, action was not taken.”
Ryan said the Luas was now “headed for a fiasco”.
In the short term, Ryan said, there should be an urgent review, concentrating on how to minimise the disruption to the city.
“For example, there is never anyone there, on the ground, to move traffic,” he said. “There should be 50 trained people, who know what is going on, and are on the ground at major roadworks in Dublin, to move traffic.
“We would be far better off with a designated corps like that than the proposed traffic police.” He said the Luas failures could have a knock-on effect for other projects.
“One of the worrying things is that there are many proposals for major infrastructural work in Dublin and around the country, and if we don’t learn from what has happened here there will be no appetite to complete them,” he said.
“For example, there is the proposal to build an extra lane on the M50,” Ryan said. “We have to convince people that these things can be done with minimum disruption. That is an absolute priority. We need to know we’re not going to get ourselves into this fiasco again.”
The train due at platform one is late and over budget
In 1996, the government aid the Luas would be built or »220 million (e279 mil- ion) and be in serviceby 2001. In 2001, formerMinister or Public Enterprise Mary O’Rourke conceded that the cost for the project had more han doubled to over »500 million (e635 million).
She predicted that trains would begin to run in 2003. As 2003 approached, the Minister for Transport, Seamus Brennan, said the budget had swelled to €675 million.
“I trust that everyone concerned will do all in their power to ensure no further delays will take place and that he construction of the system s completed at the earliest possible date, so that commu- ers will have access to ser- vices in the early months of 2004,” he said. & In February 2003, The Sunday Business Post reported that the most conservative current estimate for he Luas was €800 million, and that this could easily bloat to €1 billion.
This newspaper also reported that only the Sandyford to St Stephen’s Green line had any hope of being operational by mid-2004.
The letter dated August 26 from RPA chief executive Frank Allen indicates that Dubliners may not get to use the Luas until 2005 – if the project doesn’t “collapse into mutual recrimination” to be resolved in “several years”.
August 31, 2003 at 11:56 am #735268J. Seerski
ParticipantYeah, I’m sick of this sad country. Can anything be completed (a) correctly; (b) on time????
Why oh why do we put up with second best?
August 31, 2003 at 1:55 pm #735269WillC
ParticipantGet the Dutch to move in and run this pathetic country. That’s what I say. A banana republic is all it is, run by half-wits.
August 31, 2003 at 3:16 pm #735270Niall
ParticipantI hate to say but the sub-contractors ARE Dutch – Ballast Nedham.
The main contractors are Anasaldo Breda, Italians in a joint ‘effort’ with an Australian company. The operators Will be Connex- French. The people responsible are the RPA, a quango set up by Mary O’Rourke. I hate to say it but I think the RPA should be dissolved, they have handled this all terribly!
August 31, 2003 at 5:58 pm #735271WillC
ParticipantOooppps !
August 31, 2003 at 7:43 pm #735272Anonymous
InactiveNot sure about the accuracy of this article. The director of the RPA was on only a few weeks ago saying that ALL construction would be finished by Christmas, with training of drivers etc. running up until summer 2004.
I don’t think the RPA would have publicly announced this deadline without being at least half sure they could meet it, knowing all the stick they would get otherwise …
there are only 3 kilometers of track left to lay on the tallaght line, work at the red cow is finished, I don’t see how this new 2005 deadline could be accurate … I could finish the bloody thing myself in that time …
September 1, 2003 at 12:07 am #735273Murpho
ParticipantLads,
Will ye ever stop been so quck to criticise and give Ireland some credit.
I don’t believe this article, it is not an item in any of the national papers and as the previous poster stated they wouldn’t announce info unless they were 100% certain.
Just look at what’s happening in Ireland at the moment.
A major road network is being entered, sports facilities are beiing improved, the Luas, Dublin Port Tunnel, a metro is being planned, these are just a few.
After decades of underinvestment, there are major infrastuctural improvements been made,
I live in Holland and I was home last week for a weekend, and I couldn”t get over how Dublin was changing and improving.
New buildings popping up everywhere, new bars restaurants and hotels. O’Connell St regeneration is begun, new bridges over the liffey, boardwalks, a refurbished airport, new motorway to the border, M50 nearing completion , I could go on.
As someone living out of the country for 5 years and coming back I couldn’t believe the amount of stuff that was going on and I felt proud to see that Ireland is finally changing and progressing.
So please stop complaining all the time. Major projects never go without a hitch and the comment about the Dutch government made me laugh. Living in Holland for 5 years now and the country is a mess. Cutbacks everywhere and some of the architecture here would make you squirm.
September 1, 2003 at 8:33 am #735274Paul Clerkin
KeymasterThe articles are from the Sunday Business Post
September 1, 2003 at 10:35 am #735275Papworth
ParticipantLooks like the LUAS is rapidly and at great speed heading towards an enquiry that will be more costly and take longer than its construction !! bring over Hutton and have it done in a month.
September 1, 2003 at 11:21 am #735276GregF
ParticipantFrank McDonald and Garret Fitzgerald are discussing it on the Pat Kenny show at the mo this morning! LUAS aka FIASCO
September 1, 2003 at 12:46 pm #735277Niall
ParticipantFrom the Irish Examiner website By Harry McGee, Political Editor
MINISTER for Transport Seamus Brennan is to seek Cabinet approval for his ambitious underground Dublin metro system this month, a move that will signal the death knell for the LUAS transit system even before it begins operations.
Under the proposals, the controversial LUAS system could be reduced to a single line within the next seven years and may cease to exist within 20 years.
If, as expected, the multi-billion metro project is approved by Cabinet, LUAS will be absorbed into the metro system as quickly as possible.
The tram project, which has cost€800 million and aroused huge controversy, will be a stop-gap measure with no role to play in the long term. One of its two lines Sandyford to Stephen’s Green could be subsumed into the metro by 2010, with the Tallaght route being turned into a metro line at a later stage.
Mr Brennan stopped short of saying that LUAS was a mistake but added that once the metro system is fully up and running, LUAS will be “gone”.
The first phase of the multi-billion metro project will be a link between Dublin Airport and the city centre. The minister is confident it will be running by 2007.
But, crucially, the minister said the second phase of the project will be the upgrade of the Sandyford-Stephen’s Green LUAS line to metro. Given the schedules the minister is pledging, that could be complete as early as 2009 or 2010.
The upgrade of the second LUAS line from Tallaght to the city centre will be a longer-term project, but Mr Brennan said a decision had not yet been reached. The problem with upgrading that route to metro, he said, was that it crossed roads at too many points and these sections would need to go underground.
Asked whether, in retrospect, he considered LUAS to be a mistake, Mr Brennan said: “The decision to built LUAS was taken pre-Celtic Tiger. If you were starting fresh, you would plan for a metro. [We] want to end up with an integrated system and not a patchwork-quilt of rail systems. LUAS will not be there at the end of the day. LUAS is gone,” he said.
The Rail Procurement Agency originally estimated the cost of the airport metro link at €4.8bn but that figure has been revised downwards, with some estimates now below €2bn. “The only way you can get an accurate price is to ask the marketplace,” Mr Brennan said. “I will be taking the proposal to do that to Cabinet.”September 1, 2003 at 1:43 pm #735278shadow
ParticipantI have heard that the dealy in starting LUAS (to review whether or not we should have a metro instead of LUAS) which was ordered by then Minister O’Rourke lost Ireland in the region of €350 million in EU subvention funds.
September 1, 2003 at 2:16 pm #735279Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThe future upgrading of Line B to metro is hardly news; it’s been the intention the whole time. The pipe dream map published by the DTO shows Line B as a metro line. It’s obviously engineered to a much higher standard than Line A, with many sections raised above ground.
September 1, 2003 at 2:38 pm #735280Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by shadow
I have heard that the dealy in starting LUAS (to review whether or not we should have a metro instead of LUAS) which was ordered by then Minister O’Rourke lost Ireland in the region of €350 million in EU subvention funds.That and the fact that they wouldn’t run the line to Ballymun, despite Ballymun being a better recipient of EU Cohesion Funds. Blame the Light Rail Office (now the RPA) for that. (Not that I am a supporter of Mary O’Rourke. As an ex Eircom shareholder and former Westmeath resident, I’m gald to see the back of her).
September 1, 2003 at 4:34 pm #735281d_d_dallas
ParticipantSo LUAS was unsuitable for Dublin to begin with???
Just think lads – only till 2025 to wait for the conversion of the line – and the Ballymun/Airport line opening.
It’s aircoach for me till then!
September 1, 2003 at 4:45 pm #735282Rory W
ParticipantAs an experienced PR man I’d say these articles have all the hallmarks of the car lobby in this country (not to name names but we all know who these people are)
September 1, 2003 at 5:28 pm #735283Niall
ParticipantCould people please read the article, the comments are attributed to the head of the RPA, i.e the people RESPONSIBLE.
Sraight from the Horses mouth!!!!!!!
No one has invented this information
September 1, 2003 at 7:38 pm #735284GrahamH
ParticipantStill, 2005 as mentioned in the piece is just silly – as of this evening Seamus Brennan is saying that it will be completed as planned(ish) in July of next year – although I note that it was set in concrete a couple of weeks ago that drivers would be trained during May for 5/6 weeks and the service operating by the end of June.
Seamus just casually slipped in July as the operating date today – you may be sure it’ll be July 31st.September 2, 2003 at 10:09 am #735285redeoin
ParticipantI heard that the City Council are resorting to the controversial, and little known Plan B, which is to shift the entire city south by 100 miles to a ready-made greenfield site near wexford, which will initially consist of nothing but roads, trams and metros.
My source is pretty good – he writes for the sunday business post.
September 2, 2003 at 12:42 pm #735286Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by redeoin
I heard that the City Council are resorting to the controversial, and little known Plan B, which is to shift the entire city south by 100 miles to a ready-made greenfield site near wexford, which will initially consist of nothing but roads, trams and metros.My source is pretty good – he writes for the sunday business post.
Dublin car free finally. Owen Keegan’s utopia 🙂
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