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    • #706091
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      First of all you have to read this:
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2101-609195,00.html

      And then this:
      http://internetcommentator.blogspot.com/2003_03_16_internetcommentator_archive.html#90868893

      I have so got to agree with this: “Tom is a talented architect but as a bullshitter he is second to none. His gift is to spin out shaggy dog yarns about his projects and to affect an enfant terrible pose, particularly when brattishly criticising earlier generations of Irish architects. Note that in this interview he damns the “Group 91″ Architects (responsible for the temple bar masterplan) with faint praise and unwittingly reveals his absurd pretensions.”

    • #725377
      MG
      Participant

      Poor Thomas, didn’t he change his name just to stand out from the crowd? He was Tom Power at college!
      But every successful architect must be the master of the soundbite – you need that catchy phrase that will oft be repeated – “less is more” afterall.

    • #725378
      MG
      Participant

      By the by, I have often thought that his piece for the Venice Bienniale a few years back, was over-rated, an “hey look at me” cry for notice!

    • #725379
      MG
      Participant

      Actually with the thread on Sam, do you think that Tom Power is trying to be the ‘Enfant Terrible’ of our time?

    • #725380
      LOB
      Participant

      Originally posted by MG
      He was Tom Power at college!

      True ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • #725381
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Passed his pumping station at Clontarf over the weekend. Anyone seen any visuals of how it will look finished?

    • #725382
      ew
      Participant

      Saw that site the other week – what’s the pumping station for and why should it be there?

    • #725383
      ew
      Participant

      The pumping station is finished now and it looks wonderful. An excellent job.

    • #725384
      garethace
      Participant

      Some observations

      It is said that Ludwig Mies Van der Rohe had two offices, one for his recognised minimalist masterpieces and another which churned out the work to pay for the special projects.

      It happens in any business or company, the high volume, cash cow supporting the higher end loss-making expensive product – and Architect is no exception to this rule either. The high end product though, is the flag ship for the company, it is necessary for the prestige. A computer chip company may sell a thousand high end chips to NASA to build a super computer, even though they need to sell 20 million low-end ones to remain profitable. I mean, Intel practically gave the chips to Microsoft’s XBOX product at below cost price – just so Intel would be in the XBOX. You can do that when you are a super-power!

      The question of ‘Value for money’ is something I think is a debate really worth the effort nowadays. As traditionally quantity surveyors come in, almost at the end, when it is too late to talk about ROI or viability of a specific project. Just look at the behaviour at the very top with projects like LUAS – what ‘role model’ is that for Architects and clients in everyday dealings?

      But what “Critical Regionalism” really boils down to is that you are not over-eager to be seen as internationalist in outlook.

      Just see my thread about Society, Politics and Architecture for a good explanation of how regional differences affect Architecture and Planning of the built environment. Just listen to these poor American Planners, and their idea of European-style cities! To them, the ideas of regional variety really does exist – primarily in their minds.

      I liked this comment in particular.

      รขโ‚ฌล“Iรขโ‚ฌโ„ขm looking for a certain temperature. I know when a projectรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs cooked. You just know when something has achieved more than the sum of its parts รขโ‚ฌโ€ when, no matter which way you cut it, it comes out the same and thereรขโ‚ฌโ„ขs no more to do except build it.รขโ‚ฌย

      This is something I would agree with too.

      รขโ‚ฌล“Love modern architecture for its young and zealous practitioners in every country,รขโ‚ฌย advised Ponti. รขโ‚ฌล“The future, the mystery of unwearied creation and of human hope lies in their hands.”

      Brian O’ Hanlon.

      P.S. I think a similar discussion about Architecture, Marketing and talk is actually going on here

    • #725385
      el architino
      Participant

      do not mock thomas for changing his name!

      why believe it or not EL ARCHITINO was once not named like this at all. as a young boy EL ARCHITINO was beaten and taunted because of his name now he never wants to speak of those days again.

      EL ARCHITINO applaudes thomas and his quest for an enigmatic name and wishes him all the best of luck in winning the award for the most promising elderly architect in the world.

      EL ARCHITNO requests that the microphone be turned off.

    • #725386
      AN
      Participant

      I was reading building material #10 and came across the project by de paor architects – ti stella. I’m trying to find out more about it as I’m doing a project re. architecture and the disabled. can anyone help me out? has it been built yet, where etc.
      any info would be appreciated.

    • #725387
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      dont know where youd get more info on the de paor house, very secretive is our tom. but another very interested project built around a disabled person is the bordeaux house by rem koolhaus if you havnt looked at it already.

    • #725388
      Anonymous
      Participant

      There was dissertation done in Bolton St last year on architecture and Part M of the building regs

      e-mail me and I’ll give U de details

    • #725389
      lol
      Participant

      Originally posted by MG
      By the by, I have often thought that his piece for the Venice Bienniale a few years back, was over-rated, an “hey look at me” cry for notice!

      This project is not over rated. Tom de Paor shows all the promise of being a world leading architect who produces beautiful work, which I doubt is about celebrity. GO TOM DE PAOR GO!!

    • #725390
      vinnyfitz
      Participant

      Well! I must say lol whatever about your opinions on “Pomme de Terre’s” work, you certainly win this month’s award for exhuming the oldest deceased thread.

    • #725391
      lol
      Participant

      Originally posted by vinnyfitz
      Well! I must say lol whatever about your opinions on “Pomme de Terre’s” work, you certainly win this month’s award for exhuming the oldest deceased thread.

      hmmmmmmmm dear vinnny thanks for the award! – it may be the oldest thread – but I still hear people saying it, my opinion is current and after recent works by the talented architect he has proved himself …. also ‘pomme de Terre’ ‘ is a bit insulting – nough said……….

    • #725392
      ro_G
      Participant

      He’s running second in the Archiseek ‘Best youngellas’ poll:
      https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?s=&postid=23044#post23044

    • #725393
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      does anyone know if Tom De paor has a web site?
      theres a lovely article in this months icon of his pump station in london!

    • #725394
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Acute angles sum up cool design at House V
      The Irish Times

      It’s not often that an architect is one of the main selling points for a house, but Tom de Paor has become something of a brand and his name is prominently featured in Sherry FitzGerald’s brochure for a bespoke villa nestling among pine trees off Torca Road in Dalkey. The house was only finished last spring, but its owners have now decided to dispose of it. It’s not that they don’t like living there – quite the reverse – but plans to relocate to central Europe for business reasons are looming, and the price it could fetch is tempting. Located behind a restored granite wall on the Killiney Way hill-walking route, with a eucalyptus forest opposite, the flat-roofed house looks almost modest. It’s only when you get inside that you realise how large it is, with bedrooms below a largely open-plan living space.

      http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/property/2007/0215/1170364516730.html

    • #725395
      bitasean
      Participant

      Regarding the fact that its new owner was singing its praises in last month’s Irish architect and is now selling it made me a bit suspect as it now adds to the list of unique designs commissioned by private clients (and presumably tailored to their particular needs) which ended up in the property pages within a matter of months. I’m thinking here also of Boyd Cody’s Mountpleasant Ave. brick house which was put up for auction soon after its completion. I’m not sure what this could be an indication of but perhaps the punters are wising up to the added retail value of a starchitect designed house. It begs the question who are architects designing for and will such trends lessen the desirability of designs which are fine-tuned to the living habits of a particular person/family, something which I believe should not be abandoned in favour of generic marketability.

    • #725396
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Tom

      Did one on Mountpleasant Terrace which was sold off in 2002 and attracted a large premium; it was a very interesting reworking of an early 19th century house which was extensively reworked into a high quality modern space and is unashamedly modern in a mixed period/contemporary setting.

      There is definitely a financial benefit to hiring so called ‘startchitects’ for such projects as both the planners and the market will go further to see these projects through than they otherwise would.

      It will be interesting to see what the Killiney house makes as against what a less well designed house would close by.

    • #725397
      bitasean
      Participant

      You’re not referring to the criminally detailed house on the corner are you? I’m a big admirer of Tom but that house is really hard to defend aesthetically

    • #725398
      Anonymous
      Participant

      I think thats the one you are talking about as no signature architect has done anything on that specific stretch since Anglea Jupe which must be25 years ago at this stage. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      There have been some very good mews type buildings done in the general area so it is possible that our wires may be crossed as there have also been some very poor ones done as well.

      I like the way he removed what was a very miserable entrance and replaced it with the timber entrance on the side gable. The problem with that house was that you had a large number of very small rooms which simply wouldn’t have been desireable; by knocking the groundfloor more or less open plan the space has been transformed. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      For a good whinge on this site you should look at the farmhouse at the eastern side where post disposal a two storey a rectangular box was just lumped onto the back what was a much nicer farmhouse and they didn’t even have the decency to cover up the black plastic water tank. ๐Ÿ˜ก

    • #725399
      bitasean
      Participant

      I’ve never seen any shots of the interior, are there any on the net? I thought that the timber addition along the gable was interesting (it’s gone now isnt it?) and very de Paorish with it’s diagonal boards, the finish left a lot to be desired however and it was never a million miles away from the work of a stoned wood work student with average joinery skills. My favourite part of this building is the subtle skewed entrance on the other gable with the fetishistic use of the traditional black and white door bell. I heard that the house next door is for another member of the Irish rugby team ( didnt Shane Horgan buy 0 or minus 1?). But for a true abortion of a mews development check out what’s just gone up around the corner, I’d love to post an image of it but that particular skill eludes me on this message board (any tips?)

    • #725400
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      From the property supplement….

    • #725401
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @PVC King wrote:

      It will be interesting to see what the Killiney house makes as against what a less well designed house would close by.

      There is not much of a premium at that price. Recent house sales (last summer) were Hawk Cliff, a boxy 1960’s bungalow with a crappy extension on Vico Rd made 5+ and another, adjoining TP’s design made about 6. Very few houses come on the market in that area (it’s Dalkey BTW) and trying to get PP is a nightmare – the Dalkey Tealadies and Wimmins Institute see to that. A site with PP goes for about 2 million, so start from there. (Meccano will run you up a design;) )
      KB

    • #725402
      wearnicehats
      Participant

      @Paul Clerkin wrote:

      From the property supplement….

      sold for “over รขโ€šยฌ6million”. Reckon Tom gets a cut?

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