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  • #705288
    fjh
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    so dit finally got their money.

    last i heard, scott tallon walker were to design it.

    so, dit will sqaunder thier money and a highly important site on a crappy campus designed by the most stagnant and unimaginative firm in ireland.

    F U C K scott tallon walker.

    #718821
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Is 262 million enough? That kind of budget, it should be a competition.

    #718822
    fjh
    Participant

    i think 262 million is only what the government is putting up, dit has been hoarding funds to put towards it for years, while its courses go on under funded and without up to date facilities.

    i would be great if a competition was held for it, it would be such a great opportunity for ireland to show off some world class design with a state of the art new campus. but i doubt that a competition will be held.

    the link
    http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2002/0424/1167656673HM5DITGORMAN.html

    #718823
    vitruvius
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    Why STW indeed?
    I suppose DIT know exactly what they’re going to get – Chinese granite, metal grilles, wood panelled glazed atria – all very nice but a bit plain and lacking in ambition – reflective of DIT’s managment structure so at least they’ll feel at home in it

    #718824
    Rory W
    Participant

    What’s going to happen to the major DIT buildings like Aungier Street and Bolton Street?

    #718825
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Looks like this may actually happen afterall

    Two shortlisted for post of Dublin city manager
    From:ireland.com
    Saturday, 3rd June, 2006

    Two candidates have been shortlisted to succeed John Fitzgerald as Dublin city manager, The Irish Times has learned. They are Cork city manager Joe Gavin and Fingal county manager John Tierney.

    Mr Fitzgerald, who is credited with transforming Dublin City Council, steps down on June 16th after 10 years in office.

    His job was advertised by the Public Appointments Commission last April, with a salary in the range of €150,000 to €200,000.

    The city council is seeking a new chief executive who “will consolidate the progress achieved over the past decade, to lead the city forward as well as motivate a workforce of 6,500 and manage a budget of €2 billion.

    There were more than 20 applicants for the post, including some from the private sector.

    Most of the applicants were senior local authority officials, including several from the top level of the city administration.

    Mr Gavin, who is in his late fifties, has been Cork city manager for the past seven years. Previously, he served as Galway city manager.

    Mr Tierney, who is in his mid-40s, succeeded him in Galway before moving to Fingal last year.

    Both are to be interviewed again next week by a board consisting of Niall Callan, secretary general of the Department of the Environment; Seán Dorgan, chief executive of IDA Ireland; Dorothy Scally, a human resources specialist, and Mr Fitzgerald himself.

    It is anticipated that the name of his successor will be announced next Friday.

    Mr Fitzgerald has been appointed as chairman of the development agency that will oversee the relocation of Dublin Institute of Technology to Grangegorman.

    #718826
    urbanisto
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    I think they should look at someone from outside Ireland…. a UK manager. Bring a fresh perspective on things

    #718827
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @StephenC wrote:

    I think they should look at someone from outside Ireland…. a UK manager. Bring a fresh perspective on things

    mmmmm….I feel I ought to comment about this one, but am not so sure of what to say. A fresh perspective to things would, in my mind, more likely come from outside the English speaking world. But who am I to criticise a culture where when you push ‘1’ on the TV remote BBC 1 pops up. And as for the Queen, I usually ask which one.

    #718828
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Important tourist attractions wherever they reign

    I concur with your point and think that someone like Pascal Maguelle from Barcelona would have been a great addition to the city. I also think that Ken Livingston has done a great job particularly with transport in London. Traffic is moving freely in the City and West End for the first time in decades which is a tribute to Livingston’s strength of will and a comparison with the Luas ducking Dawson Street is quite tragic.

    I also think to overly concentrate on outsiders would be unfair to Fitzgerald who has established himself in the European pecking order as an individual of European standing in terms of the changes he has overseen. If every government promise for funding made was honoured on time he would have acheived a great deal more and I really hope that he is not let down at Grangegorman as many times as he was as City Manager.

    Whoever fills his boots will have a big act to follow

    #718829
    kite
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    @StephenC wrote:

    I think they should look at someone from outside Ireland…. a UK manager. Bring a fresh perspective on things

    😮 So Dublin is to get a new City Manager?
    Two sites worth a visit to see what you may be letting yourselves in for.

    http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IEHC/2001/53.html
    http://www.corksouthwest.com

    #718830
    urbanisto
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    also think to overly concentrate on outsiders would be unfair to Fitzgerald who has established himself in the European pecking order as an individual of European standing in terms of the changes he has overseen. If every government promise for funding made was honoured on time he would have acheived a great deal more and I really hope that he is not let down at Grangegorman as many times as he was as City Manager.

    I completely agree that John Fitzgerald has been an outstanding success in reinventing the council and changing its (often very negative) view of the city and its citizens.

    My suggestion of a UK manager stems from the fact that (administratively at least) UK councils tend to be quite innovative and successful at pushing through new ideas. But its true, the choice should not be limited to UK. I just think that this is an important point fo Dublin. The new city manager needs to build on the achievements of push the city forward. Fitzgerald has broken through a lot of the psychological barriers to changing the way people use and view the city and a fresh outside perspective could go along way to developing Dublin into an important European capital.

    Theres still plenty of things to do at DCC… a recent look at their website would show that. Its become so cluttered and second rate looking ( i still think you should be offering your services P Clerkin!). And dysfunctional departments like Roads and Public Lighting need to be tackled. Improving the city’s quays should also be a big priority for the next guy (why not any women?)

    #718831
    jdivision
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    @Rory W wrote:

    What’s going to happen to the major DIT buildings like Aungier Street and Bolton Street?

    They’re to be sold off

    #718832
    Rory W
    Participant

    Thanks for that – just goes to show if you wait around long enough you can get an answer!!!:)

    #718833
    jdivision
    Participant

    @Rory W wrote:

    Thanks for that – just goes to show if you wait around long enough you can get an answer!!!:)

    Sorry, didn’t even see the date on the thread!

    #718834
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Grangegorman design competition opens
    The Sunday Business Post

    An international design competition to masterplan the development of Grangegorman is now open, with expressions of interest due by April 16. An international design competition to masterplan the development of Grangegorman is now open, with expressions of interest due by April 16. The masterplan will include the development of a new campus for the Dublin Institute of Technology (DIT) along with health and other community facilities at the 74-acre site near Smithfield in Dublin city centre. The site is in two lots located on either side of the Grangegorman Road, and extends from the North Circular Road as far south as North Brunswick Street and from Broadstone to the rear of Prussia Street. The site is zoned for recreational, institutional and community use.

    http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=COMMERCIAL-qqqm=nav-qqqid=21822-qqqx=1.asp

    #718835
    Blisterman
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    That’s good to hear. I’d love to see some world class architects designing it.
    We need to put Ireland on the architectural map.
    Example
    http://www.greatbuildings.com/places/ireland.html

    Not a single building built in the last 200 years.

    Of course, Ideally it would be a world class IRISH architect, but unfortunately, there really isn’t any.

    #718836
    tommyt
    Participant

    I was Bit confused by the wording of the tender I saw in the Times the other day. Are they looking to hold a starchitects beauty contest or do a masterplan like an LAP or Framework Plan? Isn’t it all supposed to be built by 2010 as well!

    #718837
    PTB
    Participant

    @Blisterman wrote:

    That’s good to hear. I’d love to see some world class architects designing it.
    We need to put Ireland on the architectural map.
    Example
    http://www.greatbuildings.com/places/ireland.html

    Not a single building built in the last 200 years.

    Of course, Ideally it would be a world class IRISH architect, but unfortunately, there really isn’t any.

    We have the Glucksman. Which is one world class building. Are there really no others?

    #718838
    Frank Taylor
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    @tommyt wrote:

    I was Bit confused by the wording of the tender I saw in the Times the other day. Are they looking to hold a starchitects beauty contest or do a masterplan like an LAP or Framework Plan?

    Maybe Andrzej Wejchert will be given the job. He seems to have gathered a lot of Irish educational institution work since UCD.

    #718839
    rira
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    Because UCD is the aspiration!

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