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  • #705144
    rob
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    OK, so we have had your ten favourite buildings in Dublin, what would be peoples most hated eyesores?

    Off the top of my head, Liberty hall and the chimneys from Poolbeg power station come to mind.

    Although, we have some lovely buildings now but anything originating from the ’70s and ’80s seems to make to list above. Aren’t there any excellent, perhaps a one off, examples of good design from that time? I seem to be struggling.

    Ah well, at least we’ve got the future to look forward to.

    #717486
    notjim
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    I have to say I’m shocked anyone dislikes the Poolbeg chimneys, I really like them. One nice thing is you often catch sight of them from places you wouldn’t expect to be able to see them from, like the steeple described by Proust or the Twin Towers from the Village before Sept 11. Liberty Hall isn’t so bad either, people have a thing against it because they consider it a symbol of the seventies and maybe it is a bit bland, but there are far worse buildings in Dublin.

    #717487
    rob
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    I have to agree with when you say there are many worse buildings in Dublin over liberty hall.

    The sight of the awful smoke is not very inspiring and the chimneys don’t really give any inspiration to the future. Just remember they planned to built four chimneys at poolbeg.

    #717488
    fjh
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    the chimneys are powerful and elegant structures.

    aesthetics is irrelevant.

    #717489
    GregF
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    It would be better however would’nt it to have a few tall structures gracing Dublin’s skyline besides two chimneys bellowing out smoke.

    #717490
    notjim
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    Sure, but as well, not instead.

    #717491
    rob
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    Tall structures? sure, remember the spike they are supposed to be building for the millenium? I’m certainly in favour of the odd tall structures in Dublin, the chimneys in poolbeg have been looking rather neglected and are not a sign of a foward economy.

    Anyway, what about the origional question?

    #717492
    rob
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    Tall structures? sure, remember the spike they are supposed to be building for the millenium? I’m certainly in favour of the odd tall structures in Dublin, the chimneys in poolbeg have been looking rather neglected and are not a sign of a foward economy.

    Anyway, what about the origional question?

    #717493
    quirkey
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    its about us coming up with a list of the ten worst buildings !!
    The ILAC centre has to in there surely ?? by Keanne Murphy Duff …… also the designers of the “PORTALS OF DARKNESS” as Frank McDonald puts it (the towers behind Tara street). I personally think those towers with their new external treatment actaully look good but they should have been at least 150% of their current heights (previous referrals I’ve heard include CANARY DWARFS)
    Good to see how the work they produce has improved significantly since those olden designs (Varoius Superquinns + the Arnotts makeover are two pretty good examples)
    Other Bad Stuff ???
    We shouldnt really even have to mention Hawkins house i suppose.

    #717494
    cajual
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    the semi-detached suburban house- easily the most destructive building type in dublin

    #717495
    RaB
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    every red bricked ,pvc windowed, infill apartment development with cars parked in the courtyard ,coving in the hallways (to make up for lack of natural light and air),mock georgian doors, windowless bathrooms ,useless balconies,white plastic countrystyle kitchens,nay kitchenettes. soul-less,listless moronic banality that pays real tribute to the ignorant and hungry developer,to his easily whipped and frustrated architect, to our swamped niave planners and most of all to the connoisseurs who bought them like lemmings.

    #717496
    RaB
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    why not draw up a list of the 10 most ugly buildings in for planning ? make a difference!!

    #717497
    quirkey
    Participant

    then maybe this list should be a hybrid between bad aesthetics and bad function ??

    #717498
    John Callery
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    Don’t leave of the top of the list the monolithic and cliff-faced “Park House” sitting on its stilts now looming over the Northside village of Stoneybatter and the Victorian dwellings along the North Circular Road for over 30 years. What a greedy built monster this is in its once unique built environment.

    [This message has been edited by John Callery (edited 23 November 2001).]

    #717499
    No.42
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    Mr. RaB said it all.

    Particularly the two on the left side of Gardener St either side of Parnell St. (heading north side)

    I have to walk past them everyday and I’d love to know the names of the ‘Architects’ that put these monstrosities up.

    Having been left to their own devices the bricklayers would have made a better job of it.

    #717500
    GregF
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    Cosgrave Bros. I think

    #717501
    Rita Ochoa
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    What about all Dublin itself…? (joking). Anyway, I don´t know much about Dublin but when I was there I went to a shopping center near St. Stephens Green wich I remember being a bit weird from the outside, trying hard to look old and to fit with other buildings around it. But the main problem, in my very personal humble touristic opinion, is based on the interior planning/design (or lack of it). Does anyone share this opinion?

    [This message has been edited by Rita Ochoa (edited 20 November 2001).]

    #717502
    GregF
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    Your’re right Rita……and we all feel embarrassed about the lack of good design in the Irish urban environment.

    #717503
    quirkey
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    And part of that problem is that proper architects or interior designers are rarely employed for these things.
    It seems that the general public in Ireland think that most of those quick build urban renewal and suburban sprawling residential developments are actually designed by architects (thereby generally downgrading the status of the designer in ireland).
    Most of the time its a Cad operator who works directly for the builder, or if not then a completely overloaded engineer or Architectural technician who isnt allowed scope or time to have a chance to produce something of quality.
    Maybe it comes down to the issue of the title of Architect again. Anyone who so wishes in ireland can call them selves an architect, and anyone can apply for planning permission (building permit). Planners ( also overloaded with work) have little power legally to refuse permission on the basis of bad design. Hence our vast quantities of absolute crap, builders and developers who get away with almost anything anywhere, those few who actually give a damn are powerless , and most real architects have to survive on relatively poor salaries.

    [This message has been edited by quirkey (edited 21 November 2001).]

    #717504
    rob
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    Oh why, oh why can’t suburbia-box developers hire architects for developments?

    I was in Canberra, Australia a few years back, and I was amazed at the housing estates. Each house was completely different in design and they each had their own circle of land around it. No semi-detatched housing! I don’t know if this was specific to Canberra, but I was very impressed.

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