Libeskind in Dun Laoghaire
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- August 6, 2001 at 10:12 am #705092
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ParticipantONE of the world’s most radical architects has designed a £50m development, including a museum, hotel and shops, for a derelict pier in Dun Laoghaire.
Daniel Libeskind, best known for the striking zigzag thunderbolt design of Berlin’s Jewish Museum, presented his plans to the Dun Laoghaire Harbour Company in June. The Polish-born architect has been commissioned by a consortium hoping to win a contract to redevelop Carlisle pier.
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/08/05/stiireire02007.html?999
August 7, 2001 at 10:55 am #716896LOB
ParticipantI would love to see some indication of the design-it would be a fantastic site.
I hope Dun Laoghaire have the vision to carry it throughAugust 7, 2001 at 11:33 am #716897Paul Clerkin
KeymasterI’m goning to contact the developers and hope that they will supply archeire.com with some images as soon as they have a proposal together.
August 8, 2001 at 9:52 am #716898Architeckt
ParticipantI certainly hope that the project goes ahead, a project by Libeskind in Ireland would be a small step to attracting other international interest, something that is in short supply in the country.
I just hope it will suit Dun Laoghaire
August 16, 2001 at 6:38 pm #716899Andrew
ParticipantThat’s a good point…will it suit the site, or will it end up being “a project by Liebskind”, like Calatrava’s bridges…all designer labels showing, but no relevance to it’s context ?
August 16, 2001 at 10:32 pm #716900HK
ParticipantI say let him put up what he wants. But then I won’t be deciding – and that’s part of the problem. Who am I? I am a member of the public. And why won’t I be deciding? Because I don’t know what architecture in Ireland is beyond what the Times and the Independent publish and the RTE broadcasts (and currently, I am not interested).
Whatever he puts up it could spark a much needed public debate that may penetrate through the relatively small elite of Irish architectural critics to the “people of Dublin” though publicity. The question at this stage is not whether the project will be contextual or not. The Dun Loughaire-Rathdown CC will do their work and so will the immediate residents as is their responsibility (and the even architects will have their say). The question is what will the nature of the debate be? will it last long enough to spark wider public interest? Or will it be another Eircom Park political debacle? (the only current language of public architectural debate)? And how many people in Ireland will know and perhaps even have an opinion of what architecture may do (or not do) for them. This must grow people’s architecture minds (or give birth to one). Perhaps I’m making more of this than is warranted, but you did say Libeskind, didn’t you?
August 17, 2001 at 4:52 pm #716901Anonymous
Inactiveof course it won’t be contextual, his work is architecture as object or for me smoke and mirrors. I thought Dublin had a strong sense of itself and its worth, sounds like you guy’s are as unsure about your own direction in architecture and parochial as the Scots.
Don’t be taken in by the glossy photos and the hype for god’s sake. If he builds something in Ireland great, but don’t think it will be wonderful for Ireland.
August 20, 2001 at 5:40 pm #716902izz4
Participant‘Contextual’ must be one of the most abused terms in architectural debate of this kind. Unfortuately those who use it tend to mean will it ‘fit in’ visually, i.e. will it be a pastiche take on the predominant architectural style of the setting. Please clarify what you mean by this term: i.e. that Liebskind is interested in the project due to his interest in emigration suggests it will be completely contextual, as so many people emigrated to Britain on boats from Dun Laoghaire.
We should be welcoming the possibility of Liebskind’s project wholeheartedly.August 21, 2001 at 9:03 am #716903MK
ParticipantLiebskind’s work is always contextual. Dont confuse deconstruction with a lack of concern for context.
August 21, 2001 at 2:48 pm #716904Anonymous
Inactivedear izz4 and mk,
I overheard this converstation on holiday between my four year old daughter and my wife.
Anna; mum where did you meet dad?
Kate: at a disco, many years ago.
Anna: did you think he was attractive?
Kate: yes, I suppose I did.
Anna: what, could he juggle or something?
Until I read your views about context and Libeskind, this was the funniest comment I’d heard for a long while.
August 21, 2001 at 7:38 pm #716905cajual
Participantbut…that wasn’t funny at all
August 22, 2001 at 12:30 am #716906izz4
ParticipantAlan:
I really do not understand what you mean about our ‘funny’ comments on Liebskind. Please! Less of the smoke and mirrors!
I was merely commenting on how the usage of the term ‘context’ is so broad, that it would be helpful in the interests of clear debate if people could specify what they meant by it.August 22, 2001 at 1:36 am #716907deepnote
Participantwe could use a good ferry wreck on the pier, now that would surely be contextural
August 22, 2001 at 9:00 am #716908MK
ParticipantAlan Dunlop,
Less of the Readers Digest anecdotes, your not only embarressing yourself, your making the rest of us cringe also.August 22, 2001 at 9:16 am #716909GregF
ParticipantWhy get all uppity when one has’nt seen any plans…..the mere mention of a development by a big name and everyone seems to reach for their cudgels. Wait and see what is on offer …..instantaneously one will know whether what is planned is suitable.
August 22, 2001 at 9:26 am #716910Anonymous
InactiveSorry mk, but this is virginal territory for me. Thanks though for the advice, I will take it in good grace from someone who obviously knows quite a bit about embarrassing disharge.
August 22, 2001 at 10:16 am #716911MK
ParticipantAlan, I have no desire to enter into petty bickering with you. This is not the first time you have engaged in personalised comments with myself or with others and I have challanged you on this point before also.
Try to attack the issues and not the people discussing the issues. In a debate the aim is to argue the point with valid arguement, not trivia and insults.
If your debating demeanour represents your business demeanour, your general regard for other people and their views, then I believe, and I mean this constructively, that you should seriously look at yourself and consider is your method of approach (attack) suitable to an enviornment where you can build positive interdependant relationships with others.
No doubt you will retaliate with usual venom, never-the-less I feel my responding to your comments is well and truely over,
Best of Luck,
MK
August 22, 2001 at 10:57 am #716912Anonymous
InactiveSorry mk, again. It’s just that I find it difficult to take what you say seriously.
Confusing deconstructavism and context-really? It must be a Scottish thing and probably all my fault, I know, but you come across to me like a cocksure pedant. Are you a student?
Deepthroat is right, run it into the harbour and succesfully marry the two.
August 22, 2001 at 11:11 am #716913MK
ParticipantMore of the same…..
Also, deepthroat is actually deepnote, a Freudian slip of epic proportions no doubt, symptoms, symptoms….August 22, 2001 at 11:33 am #716914Anonymous
Inactivenot really of epic proportions mk, I always suspected that taking part in discussions with those indulging in self defilement would result in my own premature withdrawal.
Sorry though deepnote, I have very much enjoyed your contributions. Good luck with Sports Campus Ireland
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