Libeskind in Dun Laoghaire

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    MG
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    ONE of the world’s most radical architects has designed a £50m development, including a museum, hotel and shops, for a derelict pier in Dun Laoghaire.

    Daniel Libeskind, best known for the striking zigzag thunderbolt design of Berlin’s Jewish Museum, presented his plans to the Dun Laoghaire Harbour Company in June. The Polish-born architect has been commissioned by a consortium hoping to win a contract to redevelop Carlisle pier.

    http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/news/pages/sti/2001/08/05/stiireire02007.html?999

    #716896
    LOB
    Participant

    I would love to see some indication of the design-it would be a fantastic site.
    I hope Dun Laoghaire have the vision to carry it through

    #716897
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    I’m goning to contact the developers and hope that they will supply archeire.com with some images as soon as they have a proposal together.

    #716898
    Architeckt
    Participant

    I certainly hope that the project goes ahead, a project by Libeskind in Ireland would be a small step to attracting other international interest, something that is in short supply in the country.

    I just hope it will suit Dun Laoghaire

    #716899
    Andrew
    Participant

    That’s a good point…will it suit the site, or will it end up being “a project by Liebskind”, like Calatrava’s bridges…all designer labels showing, but no relevance to it’s context ?

    #716900
    HK
    Participant

    I say let him put up what he wants. But then I won’t be deciding – and that’s part of the problem. Who am I? I am a member of the public. And why won’t I be deciding? Because I don’t know what architecture in Ireland is beyond what the Times and the Independent publish and the RTE broadcasts (and currently, I am not interested).

    Whatever he puts up it could spark a much needed public debate that may penetrate through the relatively small elite of Irish architectural critics to the “people of Dublin” though publicity. The question at this stage is not whether the project will be contextual or not. The Dun Loughaire-Rathdown CC will do their work and so will the immediate residents as is their responsibility (and the even architects will have their say). The question is what will the nature of the debate be? will it last long enough to spark wider public interest? Or will it be another Eircom Park political debacle? (the only current language of public architectural debate)? And how many people in Ireland will know and perhaps even have an opinion of what architecture may do (or not do) for them. This must grow people’s architecture minds (or give birth to one). Perhaps I’m making more of this than is warranted, but you did say Libeskind, didn’t you?

    #716901
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    of course it won’t be contextual, his work is architecture as object or for me smoke and mirrors. I thought Dublin had a strong sense of itself and its worth, sounds like you guy’s are as unsure about your own direction in architecture and parochial as the Scots.

    Don’t be taken in by the glossy photos and the hype for god’s sake. If he builds something in Ireland great, but don’t think it will be wonderful for Ireland.

    #716902
    izz4
    Participant

    ‘Contextual’ must be one of the most abused terms in architectural debate of this kind. Unfortuately those who use it tend to mean will it ‘fit in’ visually, i.e. will it be a pastiche take on the predominant architectural style of the setting. Please clarify what you mean by this term: i.e. that Liebskind is interested in the project due to his interest in emigration suggests it will be completely contextual, as so many people emigrated to Britain on boats from Dun Laoghaire.
    We should be welcoming the possibility of Liebskind’s project wholeheartedly.

    #716903
    MK
    Participant

    Liebskind’s work is always contextual. Dont confuse deconstruction with a lack of concern for context.

    #716904
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    dear izz4 and mk,

    I overheard this converstation on holiday between my four year old daughter and my wife.

    Anna; mum where did you meet dad?

    Kate: at a disco, many years ago.

    Anna: did you think he was attractive?

    Kate: yes, I suppose I did.

    Anna: what, could he juggle or something?

    Until I read your views about context and Libeskind, this was the funniest comment I’d heard for a long while.

    #716905
    cajual
    Participant

    but…that wasn’t funny at all

    #716906
    izz4
    Participant

    Alan:

    I really do not understand what you mean about our ‘funny’ comments on Liebskind. Please! Less of the smoke and mirrors!
    I was merely commenting on how the usage of the term ‘context’ is so broad, that it would be helpful in the interests of clear debate if people could specify what they meant by it.

    #716907
    deepnote
    Participant

    we could use a good ferry wreck on the pier, now that would surely be contextural

    #716908
    MK
    Participant

    Alan Dunlop,
    Less of the Readers Digest anecdotes, your not only embarressing yourself, your making the rest of us cringe also.

    #716909
    GregF
    Participant

    Why get all uppity when one has’nt seen any plans…..the mere mention of a development by a big name and everyone seems to reach for their cudgels. Wait and see what is on offer …..instantaneously one will know whether what is planned is suitable.

    #716910
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Sorry mk, but this is virginal territory for me. Thanks though for the advice, I will take it in good grace from someone who obviously knows quite a bit about embarrassing disharge.

    #716911
    MK
    Participant

    Alan, I have no desire to enter into petty bickering with you. This is not the first time you have engaged in personalised comments with myself or with others and I have challanged you on this point before also.

    Try to attack the issues and not the people discussing the issues. In a debate the aim is to argue the point with valid arguement, not trivia and insults.

    If your debating demeanour represents your business demeanour, your general regard for other people and their views, then I believe, and I mean this constructively, that you should seriously look at yourself and consider is your method of approach (attack) suitable to an enviornment where you can build positive interdependant relationships with others.

    No doubt you will retaliate with usual venom, never-the-less I feel my responding to your comments is well and truely over,

    Best of Luck,

    MK

    #716912
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Sorry mk, again. It’s just that I find it difficult to take what you say seriously.

    Confusing deconstructavism and context-really? It must be a Scottish thing and probably all my fault, I know, but you come across to me like a cocksure pedant. Are you a student?

    Deepthroat is right, run it into the harbour and succesfully marry the two.

    #716913
    MK
    Participant

    More of the same…..
    Also, deepthroat is actually deepnote, a Freudian slip of epic proportions no doubt, symptoms, symptoms….

    #716914
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    not really of epic proportions mk, I always suspected that taking part in discussions with those indulging in self defilement would result in my own premature withdrawal.

    Sorry though deepnote, I have very much enjoyed your contributions. Good luck with Sports Campus Ireland

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