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    Paul_9000
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    As a person who walks frequently along High Street, between Christchurch and Thomas St., I really want to see the pram shop building removed. What would be left would be a great street scape betweens Molloys Pub and St.Audeons Church. It would mark a great beginning to Thomas St which the government has such great plans for, doing as much as the StoreHouse at the other end and StCatherines restoration in the middle do to improve the Liberties.

    #715778
    GregF
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    Hi Paul,
    Can you remember High Street before it was a dual carriageway….when it was a compact little street before the road developers got their hands on it in the 1970’s /1980’s.When it was a more uniform street …..where buildings once stood on St.Audeons landscaped park and the back of Tailors Hall was hidden. There are photographs of how it once looked.

    #715779
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    My earliest memories of High Street is with both sides pulled down or about to be for the new dual carriageway. I agree with Paul on the pram shop that it should be removed btw.

    #715780
    Paul_9000
    Participant

    My earliest memory would have been after
    most of the building were cleared,
    Interesting that it’s been called a dual
    carriageway, resonates with industrial
    landscapes rather that a city street.

    I’m not sure there’s a need for the divide
    in the road. Take Champs Elysses in Paris,
    far more traffic, wider road plus proabably
    more aggresive driving style, but there not
    a divide in the centre.
    I believe the corporation should do away with
    these and instead make a real effort to make
    the likes of Patrick st and Cuffe St. tree
    line avenues. The visual affect of trees just
    does not seem to be understood by the powers.

    #715781
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Primarily the central island seems to act as a refuge for pedestrians trying to cross the road. My sister works in Tailor’s Hall and the complete area is a nightmare for pedestrians, the traffic islands at Cornmarket are a warren, to cross the street involves about three traffic islands and 10 minutes.

    I agree that removal of the central island, widening of pavements and planting of mature trees would be a definite improvement.

    #715782
    JL
    Participant

    The whole place is a tragic disaster area – this was the heart of the medieval city after all. Ripped out by a dual carriageway – and then the replacement buildings – aargh. that cuckoo clock beside tailors hall (Ambrose Kelly I think), the BKD Jury’s hotel

    Unfortunately bad architecture has a long half life

    #715783
    Paul_9000
    Participant

    The place may be a disaster but it can still
    be improved,
    the new Coombe bypass will give the opportunity to make it more Pedestrian
    friendly.
    As for the central Island being a refuge
    for pedestrians, It just encourages people
    to dash accross the road at any point
    rather than at the crossings.

    As for Jurys, they may find a critical
    structural fault and have to pull the
    whole thing down.
    Otherwise let Ivy run free on it’s exterior.

    #715784
    Drawingboard
    Participant

    Do you know something about Jury’s that we don’t?

    #715785
    Rory W
    Participant

    I remember the derelict buildings of Christchurch place from when I was younger. Does anybody remember a factory/warehouse where Jury’s Inn is now. It had “BE_AB__” on the side the _ indicate where the letters had fallen off – the font it was in was very 50s sort of like the old ESB lettering. Any answers to that one.

    I also remember Wood Quay/Winetavern Street being just hoardings. Dublin was so grim then wasn’t it?

    #715786
    Siobh
    Participant

    Nooooo, not Murphy’s!!! Don’t do it!! That’s where my Mum & Dad bought my pram when I was born!!!

    Sob!!

    Siobh

    #715787
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    I remember the building which was located on the site of the current Jury’s Christvhurch. A quite horrible 1950’s building that for its last years (or certainly all I remember) was derelict. Beside it was the site of the vehicle imound lot – amazing to think they the Corpo sited this opposite the oldest building in Dublin!

    Anyway, don’t remember the letters on the building but its image is ingrained in my head – I always thought it was awful even as a child and was quite relieved when Jury’s replaced it (bad as it is, it was a whole lot better!).

    The building resembled the ugly Corpo offices right beside the Fitzsimons hotel on the quays.

    #715788
    alastair
    Participant

    the typeface on the building was Profil if memory serves:
    http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/profil/

    I was just remarking a couple of weeks ago how the ‘old city’ part of temple bar had changed from it’s days as the mobile library yard.

    #715789
    paul_moloney
    Participant

    I’m amazed that the Pram Shop inspires such hatred. I think it’s kinda cute, and a hangover from Old Dublin. I’d love to see it preserved in some fashion, while every modern building on High St is reduced to rubble. Am I simple contrary?

    On this note, does anyone have an old pictures of the area? (High St, Christchurch Place, etc). I’m now living on Castle St, and would love to know how the area looked years ago. I’d be specially curious to see pictures of where Jury’s now stands, and also if any exist of Archbishop Usher’s house, where the Castle Inn now is (I believe it was only knocked down in the 40s, after remaining their for 500 years).

    Cheers,

    P.

    #715790
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    In the book Heart of Dublin, there are engravings of the site of Jury’s Inn, which I think held the name Skinners Row.

    The Pram Shop is due to be demolished shortly – the Planning Application is already on the build stating that a residential block is to replace it.

    #715791
    gunter
    Participant

    Thanks for the directions, notjim.

    If this isn’t the right place, it can be moved yes?

    I started a bit of a file on High Street in the early 90s, when I hadn’t much else to do, and I just found it again under something, so before I loose it again, here are some of the photographs I had accumulated.


    High Street c. 1975. The four bay building on the left is the ‘Bedding Manufacturer’ from the earlier (How well do you know Dublin) pic.


    Aerial view of the same terrace from c. 1984

    #715792
    notjim
    Participant

    Amazing pictures and terribly sad; I love when churches are sunk like that into a streetscape, it so medieval, so atmospheric, so true to a folkish religion knotted up in quotidian demands of secular life.

    #715793
    gunter
    Participant

    @notjim wrote:

    . . so true to a folkish religion knotted up in quotidian demands of secular life.

    I was just going to say that!

    Here’s another photograph of the east end of High Street in 1963 with, if I’m not mistaken, ctesiphon’s dad on his bike off to buy icecream for the chizzlers in the local shop.

    #715794
    newgrange
    Participant

    What is that structure out from the front of one of the buildings?

    #715795
    gunter
    Participant

    That was the way they used to do scaffolding newgrange, back in the day. Floor joists would be taken out, put on edge and stuck out the windows, the inside end wedged under the floor above and out you went, with your life in your hands.

    The date of that one is slightly wrong, must have been late 1964 at the earliest, because there is a firm date of Sept. 1964 on this Paddy Healy photograph of the same houses from the top of Nicholas Street showing no. 3 High Street (the house with the scaffolding) still intact while the rest of the street looks like a bomb hit it.

    Apologies for adding a couple of years onto ctesiphon’s dad.

    #715796
    Pot Noodle
    Participant

    I know this is off topic but can anyone tell me about the Iron bridge over the Strawberry Beds on the Castleknock side

    Many Thanks in advance

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