paul_moloney wrote:Can't say I have noticed a difference in either of this myself. "More people" is not necessary a good thing and has certainly not translated into better shops anyway.
true but activity is always better than desolation. The northside of town in my younger days was an empty hostile collection of surface car parks and a few shops thrown in between the dereliction
As I said in my original post, these have happened and have improved it, but we're talking about 15 years of an economic boom. In that time, we've gotten trees and a pavement. This doesn't inspire much confidence in the future.
I agree and this can be applied right across the board to Docklands development and Transport investment. However in relation to O C St i don't think it's possible to overstate the impact of the ongoing neglect and legal wrangling over the Carlton etc sites. To leave an entire quadrant in limbo at this
location through the boom for any reason was sinful.
O'Connell St certainly has nowhere near the same welcoming atmosphere as, say, Grafton St. I mean, I'm from the inner city myself so not exactly unused to rough areas, but apart from tourists, the average Dubliner does not saunter up O'Connell St to window-shop or enjoy a coffee/brunch. And Abbey St is downright intimdating these days with gangs of junkies hanging out at the Luas stops, occasionally attacking the tram with a golf umbrella like I saw a while back.
Maybe not but uses that have enlivened the street through the boom such as the Ambassador venue and cinema etc on Parnell St west have brought Dubs up the street. Plus the random, chaotic yet thriving Parnell st east with it's hotch potch of pubs and restaurants has given the area another dimension. From my teenage years through my early 20's the only reason me or my friends ever ventured up O C St was to go to Fibbers. I think there's more there now. Yeh Abbey street is a bit f'n rough alright but 20 years ago there was zilch on it apart from buses and the theatre - at least there's a few decent pubs on Middle Abbey St nowadays... only a few mind you
Well, as I said in the my original post - it's now been 15 years, when the country was swimming in money. For the forseeable future, the country will be paying billions in interest to artificially prop up property prices for our developer overlords. O'Connell St was shit when I was a student, it still shit (with trees) now that I'm (almost) middle-aged. There's a difference between pessimism and realism, and I think I'm being realistic here.
That's all fair but to be specific about it, if Arnott's and Chartered Land (??Carlton site developers??) and the the RPA are able to carry out their plans, regardless of what's going on in the wider Irelandworld, O Connell Street will undergo major positive changes in the next 10-15 years. Obviously we all agree that this should have happened or at least started happening in 1998 when the IAP was released but good ol institutional inertia and government idiocy prevented that.
maybe when you reach middle age and old age itself you will finally get the main street you want - enjoy the stroll with your zimmer frame in 2040!!!