Limerick City Boundary Extension

Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby Tuborg » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:34 pm

This proposal for a single authority just isnt going to happen, nor indeed should it. Limerick City faces a number of uniquely urban challenges that can only be tackled with the aid of its own dedicated Local Authority.

County Limerick on the other hand is predominantly rural in character with a highly dispersed population, indeed Newcastlewest is it's only urban area of any significance, (pop. 6,000). It would therefore be totally impractical to merge both into one body.

As CologneMike has already suggested, it would be far more feasible to explore the possibility of merging the other 3 mid-western County Councils, as they are all broadly similar in character.

If this Government is serious about drastically reducing the number of LA's, then it should look at amalgamating a number of them in the midlands and north west. Clearly, there are a number of Counties here that just simply dont have the populations to warrant their own Local Authority.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:36 pm

Proximity to the city centre is probably one of the most important issues as to how an urban centre should develop outwards.

Taking the street junction at Brown Thomas / Debenhams as the middle point of the city, as this was once the cross roads leading to / from other cities.

  • O’Connell Street – (Cork)
  • Sarsfield Street – (Galway)
  • Patrick Street – (Dublin)
  • William Street – (Waterford)


From that middle point I plotted three zones using a rough radius length of 2.5km, 5,0km and 7.5km on to the boundary proposal map.

The city council‘s jurisdiction is / was confined roughly within the 2.5km zone.

Ideally in my opinion the city should develop outwards in a 360° orderly manner.

Proximity to the city centre should mean shorter journey times / lower emissions. Economies of scale from anything from public transport, to schools, hospitals, water, gas, etc, etc, could better be achieved if the city expanded out evenly in all directions.

The area highlighted in the image below denotes the jurisdiction of county Clare and shows its proximity to the city centre.

This boundary issue has to be dealt with now.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:35 pm

Mid West Task Force Interim Report July 2009

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Two extracts from it mention the following

4.1 Governance of Limerick

In recent years numerous reports have focused on the governance structure in Limerick. Three councils are involved in a relatively small geographical area which is proving to be inefficient and ineffective in articulating and delivering a coherent, ambitious plan for the Greater Limerick area. These reports have stated that if the governance issue is not tackled then Limerick City is unlikely to achieve its full potential as a key Gateway City for the Mid West Region. This issue has been referred to by almost all stakeholders to the Task Force as a serious hindrance to the development not only of the City but the entire Mid West Region and needs to be reviewed as a matter of urgency.

A commission, as provided for under existing legislation, is established as a matter of urgency and should report as quickly as possible, but no later than six months, in relation to the Governance of the Greater Limerick Area.


11 The Limerick-Shannon Gateway, with a thriving city at its core, is central to the growth and prosperity of the Mid West Region. Limerick needs immediate investment to address social and economic issues. Governance of the city must also be addressed as a priority. The Task Force recommends that:

(a) A commission should be established as a matter or urgency and report as quickly as possible, but no later than six months, in relation to the governance of the Greater Limerick Area.


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Limerick Chamber of Commerce oppose suggested Council merger (live95fm)

The Limerick Chamber have voiced their opposition to the suggested merger of Limerick City and County Councils contained in the McCarthy Report.

Chamber President Harry Fehily admits the Report's recommended cuts are necessary to address what he calls the enormous overrun in Government spending.

Mr Fehily said instead of any suggested merger, he would prefer to see the city boundary extended which would give Limerick City Council greater autonomy in running a larger urban area.

The Chamber President says any cutbacks should be balanced to take into account the more vulnerable in our society.

Harry Fehily says a city boundary extension would be more practical politically than amalgamating the two local authorities.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby NevilleNeville » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:45 am

Tuborg wrote:This proposal for a single authority just isnt going to happen, nor indeed should it. Limerick City faces a number of uniquely urban challenges that can only be tackled with the aid of its own dedicated Local Authority.

County Limerick on the other hand is predominantly rural in character with a highly dispersed population, indeed Newcastlewest is it's only urban area of any significance, (pop. 6,000). It would therefore be totally impractical to merge both into one body.

As CologneMike has already suggested, it would be far more feasible to explore the possibility of merging the other 3 mid-western County Councils, as they are all broadly similar in character.

If this Government is serious about drastically reducing the number of LA's, then it should look at amalgamating a number of them in the midlands and north west. Clearly, there are a number of Counties here that just simply dont have the populations to warrant their own Local Authority.



You note that Co. Limerick is predominantly rural in character, however a vast area within Limerick Co. Council's jurisdiction is suburban and has a direct relationship with the city itself.

I suggest that in real terms the edge of the city is actually determined by density of population and thus should either be managed by the City Council solely or there should be a distinct area between city and county where both local authorities have an input.

At present both Councils are flying in the face of each other particularly in realtion to retail development.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:29 pm

NevilleNeville wrote:. . . . or there should be a distinct area between city and county where both local authorities have an input.

At present both Councils are flying in the face of each other particularly in realtion to retail development.


I agree, the 7,5km zone in the image above would be in my opinion “the distinct area” where both councils (Clare Co.Co. too) should collaborate today. This 7,5km zone should simply be a “green belt” encompassing the whole city. It would ring fence the city and also protect the rural countryside for the coming 50 years against ad hoc outer-outer town development be it retail parks, housing estates or country lanes full of one off housing.

For example Annacotty Village has long breached this zone and when I read just a few months back, where some County Councilors are lobbying to turn Annacotty Industrial Estate (Ferenka) into a Mega Retail Park. Then all I say is here we go again!

Just only one local authority should be responsible to plan the 360° growth of our city in a coherent and controlled manner.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby D-A-V-E » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:51 pm

following the finalised go ahead of the long awaited opera centre and the objection of the expansion on the crescent shopping centre i think a Limerick masterplan should be made public, put on the news etc outlining a number of key criteria to enhance the growth of the city.
these include,

1. A proper extension of the city boundary
2. A proper start in the regeneration project
3. Finish off the remodeling of the city centre
4. Transport, do what they need to do in order to stop bus eireann pulling its fleet from the city (bus lanes) and the possibiliy of a light rail system, using the current tracks around the city, thus minimising costs.

if these 4 key categories were made public and had a big media coverage on the news then people will start to trust limerick again and invest in the city, it will get the ball rolling..then again im fully aware its easier said then done!
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:13 pm

D-A-V-E, very true but when the Central Bank says today economic activity in Ireland will not hit rock bottom until the middle of next year. Then one can only fear that those key categories you mentioned will be now put on the back burner either by the banks (NAMA) or Bord Snip. :(

The savage job losses (circa 5.000) associated with Dell will also punch a major hole in the local economy. Maybe the “Mid West Task Force” might be able to soften the situation a bit, failing that only motifs on tree stumps can help!
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby D-A-V-E » Fri Jul 31, 2009 10:28 am

CologneMike wrote:D-A-V-E, very true but when the Central Bank says today economic activity in Ireland will not hit rock bottom until the middle of next year. Then one can only fear that those key categories you mentioned will be now put on the back burner either by the banks (NAMA) or Bord Snip. :(

The savage job losses (circa 5.000) associated with Dell will also punch a major hole in the local economy. Maybe the “Mid West Task Force” might be able to soften the situation a bit, failing that only motifs on tree stumps can help!


hah very true, it shouldn't be forgotten tho whatever happens, limerick could be totally transformed in a short time if these were adhered to, i think it should start to try and encourage people to live in the city and move businesses in too at the moment so as to draw people from around the region to move to he 'big city' from the country..like what dublin is naturally doing
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby dave123 » Sat Aug 01, 2009 2:33 am

Stop the doom and gloom.


Its a delusion and the delusion of this, its all an illusion.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:48 am

University's 'joined-up' vision for Limerick

FRANK McDONALD, Environment Editor

Wed, Aug 26, 2009

A NEW “joined-up” vision of how Limerick could be developed has been advanced by the University of Limerick (UL) School of Architecture.

The project turns on the idea of looking at the region as a whole with existing boundaries removed. It was devised by award-winning architect and head of school Merritt Bucholz, teaching staff and students.

Yesterday they presented the results of a summer-long “strategic planning think tank” and a specific project to design a new kind of public space for Southill.

“The fundamental thing we are doing is looking at the entire midwest region as one joined-up entity, as if there were no administrative boundaries between the local authorities – Limerick city, Co Limerick Co Clare – as one place”, Mr Bucholz told The Irish Times.

“This is something that each authority is unable to do and the Midwest Regional Authority can’t do successfully because of the competing views of its member counties. So we’re harnessing the intelligence of the university to forge a strategic partnership in the region.”

The UL School of Architecture’s think tank proposed its vision of Limerick based on six policies. It argues that the initiative could change the way local authorities in the area work and deliver important services, like health, education, transport and energy.

Proposals include: a policy for the development of neighbourhoods, rather than merely “housing”; a policy for “the continuity of the urban fabric, instead of “retail/commercial development”, and a policy of “collectivity and shared identity”, instead of art, sport and culture.

Other key changes would include a policy for natural infrastructure to replace “environment, roads, water services”, a holistic approach to strengthening public health and communities, and a policy to “harness intelligence and creativity” throughout the Limerick region.

Mr Bucholz cited the mismatch between Croom National School in Co Limerick, where there are 57 classrooms in prefabs “because it’s so popular” and St Munchin’s College in the city, with four or five playing pitches where the population is in decline.

Referring to the design of a “new kind of public space” for the run- down Southill area, he said there was a need to acknowledge the impact of the environment on the health of citizens and to create public spaces that would “engage people’s bodies and minds”.

The Southill project is conceived as “a catalyst for community participation, a new space expressing directly the relationship between public space and public health”. It is being run in collaboration with the university of Limerick’s Graduate School of Medicine.

Mr Bucholz said there had been a positive reaction to the proposals from senior planners in Limerick when they were presented. The top planning experts included Dick Tobin from the city council and Gerry Sheeran from the county council, and Liam Conneally, head of the regional authority.

Others who attended the launch by the School of Architecture at the university included Dublin City Council’s chief planning officer Dick Gleeson, and Paul Egan, a senior architect in the Department of Education with responsibility for overseeing the design of new schools.

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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby foremanjoe » Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:30 pm

I was just wondering about a slightly related point.

The new N18 tunnel that will link up to the Cork/Kerry road, does anyone know if that would be inside or outside the proposed new city boundary, or is it indeed inside the current city boundary?

And also who is going to get the toll that will be placed on the tunnel: Limerick City Council, Limerick County Council, Clare County Council, the NRA, or the company that built the tunnel?

I think the final decision on the boundary, aside from the arguments about the GAA and South-East Clare "natives", will come down to mere economics. Limerick county council presides over almost all of the retail developments that ring the city, and would surely not relinquish the substantial income that comes with them lightly. Likewise Clare Co. Co. are unlikely to give up potential revenue from their side of the city.

A good indicator of the city's true profile is the origin of it's secondary school students. The majority of students from the clare areas in question actually go to school in Limerick city, where the catchment area reaches as far as Cratloe. Should Limerick city's schools be burdened with students whose families pay their dues to Clare authorities?

Limerick City will never flourish unless it is given control of its environs, that's where the money is. Otherwise it is just a council with its whole arm in the dyke, hoping that someone will show up and get help.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Wed Dec 09, 2009 1:22 pm

Boundary committee is approved (Limerick Leader)

THE Cabinet has approved the establishment of a committee to examine proposals to extend the city boundary or create one local authority for all of Limerick.

Minister Gormley could make a decision on the matter next summer.

The Limerick Local Government Committee has been tasked by Minister John
Gormley to prepare a report into the most appropriate arrangements for local government for the city and county.

"It is a great day for the city and as Mayor of Limerick, I'm delighted with the news," said Mayor Kevin Kiely who told theLimerick Leader that securing a boundary extension has been one of his biggest priorities.

The Mayor said he hoped the committee's report would bring good news" for the city.

Minister Willie O'Dea said he did not wish to pre-empt the work of the committee, but added that "there are problems with the current situation and there will have to be changes".

In particular, the Minister noted the difficulties that the Regeneration Agencies face "due to the need to work with three separate local authorities".

The committee, whose members have yet to be appointed, is expected to include senior local government officials from outside of Limerick.

The report should be on Minister Gormley's desk in six months, according to Minister O'Dea


That will be June 2010! Wow the wheels of change rotate at a breath taking pace since the proposals were made in October 2004! :rolleyes:
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby dave123 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:30 pm

Griff wrote:Seriously - its not going to happen - no matter how its packaged you will never sell it .. the best that might be achieved is bringing in the estates close to Corbally - and that would be very difficult I think... I wonder what the results of a poll of the residents would reveal..if they were asked if they wanted to be part of the city ?.. or has this already been done ?



But it is part of the city. This terroritial ego crap has got to stop. For christ sake like.

It's part of the city. Clare country council shouldn't be managing the urban area that naturally extends into Clare. Parteen and Corbally should be under the administration of the city. Since 99percent of the people live, commute and work in the city and surrounding area. If we dont get off this terroritial BS, the city will further be abused in a doughnut fashion.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby Tuborg » Fri Dec 11, 2009 4:35 pm

CologneMike wrote:Boundary committee is approved

That will be June 2010! Wow the wheels of change rotate at a breath taking pace since the proposals were made in October 2004! :rolleyes:


The six month time scale is a joke alright but I believe Gormley is well aware of the disastrous set up down here and the problems associated with it. I guarantee he's already made up his mind regarding the boundary extension.

This "boundary commitee" has only been assembled in the name of departmental protocol and perceived transparency. It's members will now go on their merry way canvassing the views of the affected gombeen county councillors who are still intent on fighting this extension tooth and nail.

The Minister clearly wants to be seen to be doing things by the book here because it's a contentious issue. Ultimately though he has the final say on the matter and I would be majorly surprised if in the end he dosen't rubber stamp an extension that at long last reflects the Limerick urban area.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby djasmith » Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:31 pm

If the boundary extends out much further my car insurance will go up :eek:
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:10 pm

djasmith wrote:If the boundary extends out much further my car insurance will go up :eek:


Ah Dave, I would say that your dad’s car insurance premiums are safe enough in south Dublin, well for the time been anyway. Have you finished primary school yet?
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby foremanjoe » Fri Dec 18, 2009 7:15 pm

CologneMike wrote:Ah Dave, I would say that your dad’s car insurance premiums are safe enough in south Dublin, well for the time been anyway. Have you finished primary school yet?


Maybe Dave is all growed-up now and studying architecture at SAUL?
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby Tuborg » Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:47 pm

djasmith wrote:If the boundary extends out much further my car insurance will go up :eek:


Well then we better make sure this extension dosen't go ahead so!

Maybe you should try lobbying the Minister, it almost worked with Noel Dempsey this week! :rolleyes:
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby dave123 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:03 pm

CologneMike wrote:Ah Dave, I would say that your dad’s car insurance premiums are safe enough in south Dublin, well for the time been anyway. Have you finished primary school yet?


Maybe it will come down when balance and community is brought forward. Insurance and other such things are trivial and is only a problem since the city council is understrapped within its current boundaries.

Right now Limerick is falling out because of this boundary issue!.

This boundaray issue is causing more problems than just insurance. Lets get real here. And if you all woken up too it would be great.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby djasmith » Mon Dec 21, 2009 12:30 pm

CologneMike wrote:Ah Dave, I would say that your dad’s car insurance premiums are safe enough in south Dublin, well for the time been anyway. Have you finished primary school yet?


Wonderful to see people do some research before posting :D


Maybe Dave is all growed-up now and studying architecture at SAUL?


Maybe ;)
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby Tuborg » Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:28 pm


Ed Walsh won't chair boundary committee (Limerick Leader)

By David Hurley

THE founding President of the University of Limerick, Dr Ed Walsh, has ruled himself out of the running as a possible candidate to chair the independent committee which will examine the possible extension of the city boundary.
Earlier this month it was confirmed that Environment Minister, John Gormley, is to establish the committee, which will report back to Government within four months.

Members of the independent committee, including its chairperson, will be appointed in the coming weeks.

The administration of Limerick City has long been a hot issue with politicians and business people on either side of the boundary who hold strong views on the matter.

Minister Willie O'Dea has previously admitted that the boundary has posed difficulties since the foundation of the state and that it needs to be addressed for once and for all.

Responding to suggestions that he was in line to be appointed as chairman, Dr Ed Walsh, who supports the concept of a single authority for Limerick, said he was flattered but that he does not have an interest in the position and would not accept it if it is offered to him.

However, he welcomed the imminent establishment of the committee.

"When the city is divided in three as it is at present between the city council and County Clare and County Limerick, you find that there is no plan for the future of the city and there is no plan for prospective investors and as a result Limerick has fared very badly for some time so this is a great step," he said.

"Limerick united under one local authority with a boundary that corresponds to the urban area will be a much stronger city and the region will be a much stronger region," he added.

When it is formally established, the Limerick Local Government Committee will be tasked by Minister Gormley to prepare a report into the most appropriate arrangements for local government for the city and county.

It will also investigate the possibility of directly elected political leadership like the model recently agreed by Government for Dublin.



Cllr. Kevin Sheahan of Limerick County Council is not a happy camper though!

I think he's just pissed that they might no longer be able to use the rates from the city suburbs to fill the pot holes back in wesshht Limerick! :)
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:34 pm

Call to end rezoning for retail in midwest (Irish Times)

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THE MIDWEST Regional Authority is calling on local authorities in the midwest not to zone any more land for retail development and to dezone land already zoned for housing in the region.

In the draft regional planning guidelines for Limerick city and county, Clare and north Tipperary 2010 to 2022, the authority says the amount of large-scale retail development either built or permitted meets all reasonable requirements up to 2022. “It is clear, therefore, that further retail development will inevitably have detrimental impacts on some existing established retail areas and that these impacts may be irreversible.

“Limerick city centre, which has already suffered from increased competition is likely to suffer further significant impacts which would be contrary to the objective and need to provide a vibrant and successful gateway core area,” it adds. Outlining the implications for local authorities’ development plans in the region, the guidelines state that councils “should provide for no net increase in floor space of large retail developments other than that arising from redevelopment projects, including regeneration, in town and city”.

The authority is also calling on councils to act on overzoning for housing in the region.

In the guidelines, the regional authority has ruled that the Government’s Special Development Zone (SDZ) approach is not an appropriate mechanism for development in the region. The SDZ approach allows for local authorities to be bypassed with applications decided by An Bord Pleanála.

The report says the authority established a Strategic Development Zone committee to consider whether, where and for what purpose an SDZ might be identified within the region. “After a considerable number of meetings, this committee completed its remit and decided that the SDZ model would not be beneficial,” it states.
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby CologneMike » Sun Jan 10, 2010 9:23 pm

Three British stores on Limerick's Cruise's Street close (Limerick Leader)

By Anne Sheridan

THREE stores on Cruise's Street have closed in the past month, and more city stores are expected to shut in the coming months as they evaluate their businesses in the new year.

The pedestrianised shopping zone saw the closure of British chain Dorothy Perkins at 6 Cruise's Street; the shoe store Barratt's at No 5, and the Early Learning Centre, which has moved in with Mothercare.

Barrett's and Dorothy Perkins have outlets in the Crescent Shopping Centre


The hole in the doughnut is getting bigger and bigger :( . If the pedestrianised Cruise's Street can’t hold its own against the shopping centres in the “county”, then what commercial future does the city centre have?
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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby Tuborg » Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:12 am

The whiff of bullshit emanating from Limerick county hall is becoming pretty unbearable at this stage!

With such embarrassingly uneducated attitudes, is it any wonder the city is in such dire straits? It really does highlight everything that is wrong with local government in Ireland!:(

Happily this charade should be coming to an end fairly soon. I look forward to the day when the suburban rates are finally used for their intended purpose! :)


Councillors formulate strategy over Limerick boundary commission (Limerick Leader)

LIMERICK county councillors may meet their city counterparts on the issue of a single local authority or boundary alteration in the coming weeks.
Cllr Kevin Sheahan proposed the move in view of the Minister for the Environment, John Gormley's, decision to appoint a commission to report on the feasibility of the proposed council or boundary changes.

Cllr Sheahan called for a sub-committee to be put in place that would be willing to have discussions with representatives of Limerick City Council.

Cllr Eddie Wade proposed the council write to all the local members in the Oireacthas to get their views because, he said, some hadn't been "consistent" over the years.

He said when Limerick City Council talked about the boundary extension they only ever spoke about Castletroy, Dooradoyle, Monaleen and never Ballysheedy, Ballysimon or Donoughmore.

However, Cllr John Sheahan said it was premature to set up a sub-committee to meet city council.

"I propose members of this authority sit in-committee to get agreement across all parties. Cllr Eddie Wade spoke about consistency. Let's be consistent as 28 members. If they have done their job they will have one voice," said Cllr John Sheahan.

He said the process should be done chronologically – give the Oireacthas members two weeks to give their reply, then meet in-committee with the manager, an extension of that will be Cllr Kevin Sheahan's motion.

His concern was that the whole process was a "fait accompli, brought in within the law not with agreement by the people. Will it go to Cabinet and be sanctioned, and we will all be redundant? This is getting serious. The Cabinet is wielding a stick."

Cllr Kevin Sheahan said moving a city problem into the county wasn't a solution.

"We need a strong prosperous Limerick city, but not at a price I can't afford," he said.

Cllr John Egan was opposed to moving the city into the county as he had seen the relocation of people and that "sheaves of County Limerick won't be looked after".

"The city is short of funds. We won't be providing funds for the city to pay for regeneration. It's all a smokescreen," he said.

Cllr James Collins said he understood that there were only two choices – move into the city environs, or one local authority.

"My understanding is there is no C. What we're trying to get across is what's best for Limerick. A strong city is a strong county. If we lose the environs, we lose 40 per cent of commercial rates. We will not be able to prosper and progress," said Cllr Collins, who added that the best interests of Limerick would be served by one local authority., compared to a boundary extension

Cllr Mary Harty said the city council wanted an extension because it was stuck for money.

"It's not about quality of service, it's about money," she said.

Cllr Mary Jackman asked why was the city extending outwards?

"We should be looking in and taking over. In comparison to other Munster counties, Limerick's towns are much smaller. The environs help enormously to keep the county going. We have a better record in running our business,” said Cllr Jackman.

Cllr Pat O’Donovan said there were two types of Limerick people, and it was “to hell with you if you are living in south Limerick, east Limerick, west Limerick”.

“There is never any mention of Mountcollins or Pallasgreen, just Dooradoyle, Monaleen and Castletroy. Small rural parishes will be chewed up and spat out. The whole debate from day one is about money. Since Job was a boy, the city council has been in the red,” said Cllr O’Donovan, who added the two Government backbenchers had conveniently forgotten about their local authority.

Cllr Eddie Ryan noted that Tipperary wasn’t short of town councils yet they wanted one in Limerick, and that he was “very fearful” about what would happen to services in rural areas.

Cllr Tomas Hannon was not in favour of one authority and pointed to HSE rationalisation. He said it should be discussed “in-house, and, as far as possible, we should be of one voice.”

Ned Gleeson, county manager, said it was an opportunity to devise a set of new options. He said it was his understanding that the commission’s brief was not to look at any specific thing, but to look at the governance of Limerick.

“Boundaries and maps are not the way to solve theses issues,” said Mr Gleeson, who said they weren’t confined to coming up with just an A or a B approach in the councillors’ committee meeting, but a C, or even a D.

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Re: Limerick City Boundary Extension

Postby zulutango » Sun Jan 31, 2010 1:59 pm

Tuborg, that article is fascinating! It shows just how nervous the county councillors are getting. Do you still think that Gormley will rubber-stamp an extension once the committe reports? It's going to be difficult.
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