CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby Contraband » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:11 pm

-Sorry if this has been posted before-

This scheme has finally gone before An Bord Pleanála today



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CIE aims high with €100m station plan


Tuesday July 28 2009

CIE plans to build a €100m office block....

This morning, An Bord Pleanala will open a public hearing into plans by the company to redevelop one of the country's busiest transport centres, which would see a 14-storey office block built above the tracks on a 0.3 acre site.

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And CIE has insisted it was "confident" the development would go ahead, despite the current economic difficulties.

Some 10 million passengers go through the station every year, and further growth is expected as Transport 21 projects, including the underground DART, come on stream.

The 12-metre tall concourse area will cater for up to 14,500 passengers per hour at peak commuter times.

To fund the development of the station, a landmark office development will also be included over the station, with an office space of 13,000sq m, which sees the overall height of the development total 60.8 metres.

The scheme will be developed on a phased basis to permit the station to remain open during construction.

- Paul Melia

Irish Independent News in Ireland & Worldwide | Irish Newspaper | News Stories Online*****-*****Independent.ie


Fair enough, nothing ground breaking but pleasing to look at nonetheless. Now is the time to build afterall.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby cgcsb » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:13 pm

It looks good hope it doesn't meet the same fate as many other high rise schemes have recently
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:34 pm

Sexy. But those pictures are scarred by the ugly loop line bridge. Can anybody tell me it if would be technically feasible to somehow lower the bridge to the level of regular bridges, thus restoring the vista of the Customs House? I mean while they're building this thing they could easily dig a little underpass for cars and pedestrians to go under the line. Then if they turned the front of the Customs House into a plaza they could gradually lower the line on that side towards the river, again with a little underpass for pedestrians.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby alonso » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:03 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:Sexy. But those pictures are scarred by the ugly loop line bridge. Can anybody tell me it if would be technically feasible to somehow lower the bridge to the level of regular bridges, thus restoring the vista of the Customs House? I mean while they're building this thing they could easily dig a little underpass for cars and pedestrians to go under the line. Then if they turned the front of the Customs House into a plaza they could gradually lower the line on that side towards the river, again with a little underpass for pedestrians.


from my back of the envelope calculations i estimate that would cost 59 Billion Euros. Everything is technically feasible but some projects would eh impose a greater burden on the city than others.

Loop line is a bit like Twink - rusty, old and a pain in the arse, but it's hard to imagine Dublin without it.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby PTB » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:29 pm

Do I see brise soleil on the north east side of the building?

Philistines.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby marmajam » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:47 pm

this is PP for a new schedule I'm pretty sure the same building had an earlier PP (the 1st one probably 1620 - spinning it out a bit IE if you ask me)
but the construction would have meant closing Tara St station and this is forbidden by the laws of physics
so they've reconfigured the design

must have a good chance of being built seeing that the offices are below the busiest transport node in Eire
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby marmajam » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:42 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:Sexy. But those pictures are scarred by the ugly loop line bridge. Can anybody tell me it if would be technically feasible to somehow lower the bridge to the level of regular bridges, thus restoring the vista of the Customs House? I mean while they're building this thing they could easily dig a little underpass for cars and pedestrians to go under the line. Then if they turned the front of the Customs House into a plaza they could gradually lower the line on that side towards the river, again with a little underpass for pedestrians.


probably be more practical to reconstruct every building in the vicinity into the open plan girders style so it'd all match.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby johnglas » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:27 pm

Now that they've got the advertising off it, there's nothing wrong with the old Loop Line that a clever coat of paint and some good lighting wouldn't cure.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby fergalr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:06 pm

alonso wrote:Loop line is a bit like Twink - rusty, old and a pain in the arse, but it's hard to imagine Dublin without it.


It's amazingly easy to imagine! Just picture an interrupted vista up and down the quays without a clunky, stodgy bridge dividing the docklands from the rest of the city.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:13 pm

Exactly! It's a completely revolting disaster, and it should be a priority. There's something terribly oppressively ugly about Dublin from O'Connell Bridge up to the Customs House. If they just:
1.Properly paved the whole area and cleaned it up (esp O'Connell Bridge)
2.Demolished O'Connell Bridge House and Liberty Hall
3. Did something about the two buildings on either corner of O'Connell St.
4.Got rid of the loopline bridge

it could be quite nice.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby fergalr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:15 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:
it could be quite nice.


Not with Eden Quay being used as a bus station by Dublin Bus and it apparently being along the migration path of the city's heroin junkies.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby tommyt » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:17 pm

4.Got rid of the loopline bridge

it could be quite nice.[/QUOTE]

It's stated regularly enough on here how unfeasible it is to get rid of it. you would need to put the dart underground from Sydney parade to killester to realise the removal.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby fergalr » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:23 pm

tommyt wrote:It's stated regularly enough on here how unfeasible it is to get rid of it. you would need to put the dart underground from Sydney parade to killester to realise the removal.


There was a design about a decade ago (or more) for a very low impact bridge to replace the Loop Line.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby missarchi » Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:55 pm

I would not bother lowering it...
I would just get rid of it and Tara st station all together
and put it below oconell st bridge or hawkins house/DOL st

can anyone see the billboard the size of totem carman on the structure?

there are two options... it goes to broadstone via granny morning or plugs into metro north or the interconnector...

there seems to be some photoshop somewhere showing no bridge?
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby lostexpectation » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:12 am

what is the big white rim on the pub, a big sign for the station?
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Wed Jul 29, 2009 3:56 am

tommyt wrote:It's stated regularly enough on here how unfeasible it is to get rid of it. you would need to put the dart underground from Sydney parade to killester to realise the removal.


Considering that it "loops" considerably to get to that point in the river in the first place, is there any reason they couldn't just move it to the other side of the Customs House? Then, with a good shiny modern design and the iron railings removed, it could represents a sort of gateway to the docklands. It'd be pretty simple, you could just run it as an elevated train down Amiens Street from Connolly, and down Moss Street towards Pearse Station. Imagine something as elegant as that Calatrava bridge right behind the classic vista of the Customs House - I think it would form an iconic image of Dublin.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby markpb » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:32 am

Council objects to Tara Street office 'slab' above station

DUBLIN CITY Council is opposing plans by Iarnród Éireann for a €100 million redevelopment of Tara Street station in Dublin, including the construction of a 15-storey office block on the site. The two State bodies are also at loggerheads over the payment of development contributions and a levy to fund the Metro North in the event of planning permission being granted. An Bord Pleanála yesterday began an oral hearing into Iarnród Éireann’s plans to redevelop the Dart and mainline station, the second-busiest in the country.

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However, the council, in its observation to the board, has likened the proposed tower to “a large slab form” sitting poorly in the skyline. While not opposed to development on the site, it says the current proposal is not capable of being amended and should be rejected. The proposed development will reach 60.8 metres into the Dublin skyline, slightly higher than Liberty Hall and almost twice the height of the Custom House. Iarnród Éireann told the hearing, chaired by inspector Karla McBride, that the loss of any floors from the office tower would significantly reduce its commercial viability.

A 10-year planning permission is being sought as construction is likely to take longer than the normal five years allowed. The Department of the Environment has also expressed concern about the proposed development and has called for the provision of a nesting platform for peregrine falcons as part of any planning permission. The development envisages the demolition of Tara House and other buildings but Kennedy’s pub, a four-storey protected structure on George’s Quay, will survive.

Iarnród Éireann called on the board not to impose levies on the development to fund Metro North and to reduce the normal development contributions due to Dublin City Council as part of planning permission.


There's more but it's a long article so I only quoted parts of it. It's hard to imagine the thinking behind one state agency applying a development levy to another state agency, especially when they're both part of the DoT. This is just bureaucratic money shuffling and will probably end up in the courts with the taxpayer funding both sides.

There is one final oddity:

However, Iarnród Éireann does not intend to provide any toilets or bicycle parking in the station because of the “confined” nature of the site. Ms McBride said it wasn’t logical to expect cyclists to park their bikes at other stations if travelling from Tara Street.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby aj » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:35 am

Since when has DCC been concerned with architectural quality? The permit derelection of large swathes of the city while permitting the sort of crap that lines the quays.

The hag of heinretta street comes to mind as a perfect example of DCCs concern for architectual quality.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby missarchi » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:09 pm

Anyway all these projects are linked...

so some of the DOT information submitted for MN is going to overlap here.
That means in order of 500 or more bicycle spaces if my memory is spot on...
and bikes on trains? have to wait and see...

toilets would also be expected if it was the second busiest station in the state.

We have a station here that is i'm guessing the 30th busy one and it has toilet's open at peak hour only
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby missarchi » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:56 pm

http://www.tarastreetstation.ie/#a5

http://www.tarastreetstation.ie/pdf/Volume3/Part%20One%20Visual%20Impacts/View%2016A%20-%20O%27Connell%20Bridge%20(North).pdf

Car lift is interesting wohr? some of those columns look like a pain in the arse...
If you count escalators this station will rank 6 or 7 in a few years...
Is the lift big enough for a bike?
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby Contraband » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:00 pm

I suppose it was quite ridiculous to expect something that was mildly different from the current scene to be built. FFS.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby thebig C » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:54 pm

aj wrote:Since when has DCC been concerned with architectural quality? The permit derelection of large swathes of the city while permitting the sort of crap that lines the quays.

The hag of heinretta street comes to mind as a perfect example of DCCs concern for architectual quality.


+1000000!!

Good point. Plus, after years of planning, one arm of government is objecting to what the other is doing. NO joined up thinking. It really says ALOT about why this country is in the state it is!

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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby hutton » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:15 pm

CIE are planning on spending €100m on this office spec development scheme - while acres of office space is empty, and An Bord Snip proposes saving €55m by closing 240km of railways around the country? Fuckwits :mad:

And despite the scheme being higher than Liberty Hall, they cannot provide toilets for passengers because of the "confined" nature of the site?? FFS.

Somebody please abolish Irish Rail and CIE - this is clearly a public sector body that has got out of control, and is more interested in wasteful distractions as opposed to its core business. Get rid of them.

Finally just a quick reminder as to what custodians CIE are in the city centre with properties under their, eh, "care" - http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=73702&postcount=10

Note their employees private cars parked up in their depot, while they continue to dump buses onto Parnell and Mountjoy Squares. You just couldn't make it up - 9 buses are now regularly parked back-to-back on Parnell Square alone. Also note the disgraceful condition of Broadstone Station.

Save Irish railways + public transport: Abolish CIE now.
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby missarchi » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:34 am

This all has a familiar ring to an upside down L shape down the river except the architecture is -1000 points and the impact was peanuts (I got burned there)
Should liberty hall and this be related? It will be be interesting to see how all this plays out and they end up with 6/7 stories like everyone else that does interesting stuff... unless its all part of the plan;)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0730/1224251671423.html
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Re: CIE's €100 million Tara Street Station construction

Postby marmajam » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:54 am

hutton wrote:CIE are planning on spending €100m on this office spec development scheme - while acres of office space is empty, and An Bord Snip proposes saving €55m by closing 240km of railways around the country? Fuckwits :mad:

And despite the scheme being higher than Liberty Hall, they cannot provide toilets for passengers because of the "confined" nature of the site?? FFS.

Somebody please abolish Irish Rail and CIE - this is clearly a public sector body that has got out of control, and is more interested in wasteful distractions as opposed to its core business. Get rid of them.

Finally just a quick reminder as to what custodians CIE are in the city centre with properties under their, eh, "care" - http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=73702&postcount=10

Note their employees private cars parked up in their depot, while they continue to dump buses onto Parnell and Mountjoy Squares. You just couldn't make it up - 9 buses are now regularly parked back-to-back on Parnell Square alone. Also note the disgraceful condition of Broadstone Station.

Save Irish railways + public transport: Abolish CIE now.





My understnading is that IE will pay nothing for this building.
The developer who builds it will rebuild the 2nd busiest station in the country for free.

the toilets issue might not be unrelated to the large congregation of drug addicts and dealers who infest this area.

all the same I think it's wonderful that you know so much that you can sort everything out just by having a quick think without any need to check annoying facts.
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