New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby StephenC » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:07 pm

Hmmm - wider streets is a problem but we are stuck with a city that was never laid out to accommodate huge volumes of traffic, just like most European cities.

There were radical plans in the 1970s and 1980s to "redesign" the city to accommodate the motor car, which involved demolishing whole streets of buildings to widen them thereby creating beautiful broad vistas of empty lots and surface carparking. :rolleyes:

What is needed is traffic tunnels from north to south under the Liffey and rethink of all those bus route that just have to go up O'Connell Street
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:22 pm

Ljubljana 3 bridges the problem for DCC is they all look the same : )
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby johnny21 » Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:32 pm

New design of the luas liffey bridge. The sooner the better they demolish hawkins house!!!!! What an eyesore!!!!:eek::eek::eek:
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby SunnyDub » Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:34 pm

Have your say about the Marlborough Street Bridge

http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MajorTransportProjects/Pages/MarlboroughStreetPublic.aspx

Dublin City Council is planning to build a new bridge over the River Liffey in Dublin City Centre, just downstream of O’Connell Bridge. Plans and particulars of the proposed project will be on display at the offices of Dublin City Council, The Atrium, Block 4, Civic Offices, Wood Quay Dublin 8 Monday to Friday between 9.00am and 4.30pm from Thursday 18th September until Wednesday 1st October 2008. An information evening will held at the same location on Thursday 18th September 2008 between 4pm and 8pm. Staff from Dublin City Council and its consultants will be in attendance at this time to answer queries from the public.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby cgcsb » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:57 am

glad to see there's some kind of planning progress being made on line BX
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby fergalr » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:17 pm

If all the buses coming down O'Connell St make a left-hand turn onto Eden Quay, then you can forget about trying to move east along the quays. There'll be a continuous yellow bottleneck, as far as the eye can see.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby searbh » Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:53 pm

This is just a desperate sticking plaster attempt to assist mobility in the city centre; it's unnecessary. A complete rethink and reorganisation of the bus routing would be far more effective
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby Pot Noodle » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:14 pm

Why not ban all cars from coming into Dublin they do that in Oxford pedestrianize the lot free up some space from the overpriced car parks just my tuppence worth
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:36 am

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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby johnglas » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:56 am

too logical, it doesn't stand a chance.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby hutton » Sat Sep 20, 2008 1:55 pm

Good golly missarechi, are you actually proposing that bus and luas could use the same road space? :eek:

As johnglas says, far too logical - it'll never happen...
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby kefu » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:37 pm

It's a laudible idea but I think it's anything but logical. There is too much traffic allowed go over O'Connell Bridge for this to work on any level. There are currently four traffic lanes in which both cars and buses are allowed [regularly completely full] and under this proposal, it would be cut to two.
As long as DCC continue to use O'Connell Bridge as one of the city's main access/exit points, this proposition is unworkable.
Not suggesting the new bridge makes sense either but it's not as simple as all this.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Sat Sep 20, 2008 2:59 pm

it is logical....

one half storey bus line and/or one luas line one route... the average speed would go up... why? because you don't have cars and the great wall of buses blocking your path...

you need to eliminate right hand turns left hand turns in some shape or form...
I mean the average speed has been stated at 5.5km/hr whats the point as has been pointed out it was quicker for me to jog from central bank to the top end in peak hr... than catch a bus I missed...
and I even had time to get change...

even if traffic gets slower does anyone really care??? I can walk faster

metro north if it ever happens will open up even more potential and become a spinal cord if the fare is right and tickets are valid for 2 hrs...
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby kefu » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:26 pm

Metro North/Luas BX/etc does little or nothing for the people who either need cars for work or don't have access to a decent public transport network.
It is one thing talking about congestion charging, closing the city centre off when a public transport network is in place, as it is in somewhere like London/Paris/even New York.
But punishing motorists for the failures of government is wrong-headed, particularly for some notion of a vague improvement in the public environment.
Without wanting to sound like AA Roadwatch, the majority of Dubliners would prefer O'Connell Bridge to remain open to traffic than having to do a 15-minute detour via St Patrick's Cathedral or Butt Bridge.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby daithidaithi » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:10 pm

missarchi wrote:http://www.dublincity.ie/your_council/councillors/

YOU CAN NOW WATCH THE DESTRUCTION OF DUBLIN LIVE

http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/site/:confused:

If any one whats to use any of the images you can...

( I think the BX could stop just before Nassau street )
( I also think the luas going in front of trinity college is bad so it should start again in westmoreland st or dolier)
( But for this to work any metro ticket/luas ticket should include 3 extra stops free so you can jump rather than have to by two tickets)
( free city circle luas in Dublin what are the odds of that ? )




I have a question about this- Why is there a big road running through hawkins house, is there any plan for this or is it a mistake?
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby jdivision » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:02 pm

It and Apollo House will eventually be redeveloped in a jv between Shelbourne and the OPW
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:46 pm

daithidaithi wrote:I have a question about this- Why is there a big road running through hawkins house, is there any plan for this or is it a mistake?


there is no official plan however it would make sense in lots of ways if a tunnel/carpark/luas ever to go under
college green platz and the loop line going underground... towards custom house
from a development perspective I would not know if it would help...

allow you in some ways to get rid of right hand turn on con bridge
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Sat Jun 27, 2009 6:12 am

A bridge too far for Dresden's world heritage status title

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0627/1224249656250.html

that's pretty full on it's not easy being an architect create a world heritage site or lose one...
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:30 pm

missarchi wrote:A bridge too far for Dresden's world heritage status title

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0627/1224249656250.html

that's pretty full on it's not easy being an architect create a world heritage site or lose one...


I suppose we're lucky that the area around the new bridge over the Liffey has about as much chance of making it on to the UNESCO list as the Fatima Mansions.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby missarchi » Tue Jul 28, 2009 2:12 pm

Bridge go-ahead depends on Metro North

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bridge-goahead-depends-on-metro-north-1843622.html

reduce traffic congestion... yeah right? Is DCC paying for this thing anyway?
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby Cathal Dunne » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:06 pm

What in God's name do we need another bridge for? DCC have a weird fetish for bridges, they can't stop building them over our lovely Liffey. Surely an existing bridge can be widened to accommodate whatever new transportation scheme they have planned or it could be put underwater. At this rate the Liffey will disappear under a thicket of bridges by 2020.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby PVC King » Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:45 pm

Agreed

The vista downriver from O'Connell Bridge is complicated enough by the loopline without adding another bridge which in any event would be of limited use given the usage of Marlborough Street by Northside buses which drop off there before picking up on Abbey Street or Eden Quay.

I do however wish to congratulate DCC on their improvements to bus movements on the North South Axis to get from Upper Leeson St to Dublin Airport at 10am in 30 minutes is impressive; and clearly indicates that their QBC schemes are working like a dream!
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby johnglas » Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:56 pm

Are we asked seriously to believe that O'Connell Bridge is not wide enough to take pedestrians, cyclists, one lane of vehicles each side and parallel Luas lines? So you need to restrict cars/buses? Just do it.
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby marmajam » Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:20 pm

johnglas wrote:Are we asked seriously to believe that O'Connell Bridge is not wide enough to take pedestrians, cyclists, one lane of vehicles each side and parallel Luas lines? So you need to restrict cars/buses? Just do it.


the problems is the beggars

you need at least a 30ft wide footpath to avoid them catching your eye
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Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin's St

Postby johnglas » Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:24 pm

marmajam: priceless!
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