college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:53 am

the building has a trinity feel about it?

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7355/mapasol.jpg

Each year the American technical journal, Engineering News-Record published by McGraw-Hill, nominates a man of the year in the construction field. In 1990, Prof. Pietro Lunardi was included as one of those who had contributed with his ideas to the achievement of significant progress in the construction field, "he invented the 'Cellular arch technique' to excavate wide span underground caverns in cohesion-less ground".

This original construction system can be employed to drive bored tunnels with very shallow overburdens up to a diameter of 60 m. in very poor ground without causing surface subsidence.

One significant application of this system was for the construction of the Venezia Station on the Milan Urban Link Line. A cavern 30 m. in diameter and 270 m. in length was bore tunnel excavated right in the centre of the city with an overburden of only 4 metres and under the water table.

http://www.rocksoil.com/arcocellulare_en.html
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby gunter » Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:04 am

rumpelstiltskin wrote:I mean if you think about it, Dame Street and College Green contain, or are close to: the country's most prestigious university, the first purpose built parliament building in the world, the City Hall, Dublin Castle, and one of our cathedrals, as well as being next to Temple Bar and Grafton Street. If they simply brought in rules about shop fronts and pedestrianised the whole area, it could rival the Royal Mile in Edinburgh for grandeur. That's a depressing thought.


That's a very good assessment, rumple, but you're too harsh on Edinburgh's Royal Mile. It's a cracking street and who cares if it sold it's soul to tourism, at least it didn't sell it's soul to Spar.
gunter
Old Master
 
Posts: 1925
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:57 pm

gunter wrote:That's a very good assessment, rumple, but you're too harsh on Edinburgh's Royal Mile. It's a cracking street and who cares if it sold it's soul to tourism, at least it didn't sell it's soul to Spar.


I wasn't being harsh on the Royal Mile. I love it. I'm saying that Dublin city council could learn a lot from it when regenerating Dame Street. When I was younger I never even heard of Dame Street in Dublin; O'Connell Street was always the main street. But O'Connell Street is now rather grotty and actually contains little of any significant historical value besides the GPO. Dame Street, if treated properly, could become the very centre of Irish national life, in the way the Royal Mile is in Scotland. It could become symbolic of Dublin. This would obviously involve sorting out Dublin Castle and finding a good use for the Bank of Ireland.
rumpelstiltskin
Member
 
Posts: 234
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:51 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby ac1976 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:01 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:I wasn't being harsh on the Royal Mile. I love it. I'm saying that Dublin city council could learn a lot from it when regenerating Dame Street.


Why would the regenerate Dame St? It's probably the most lively street the city has!
They will only make a mess of what has naturally become our real main street if the stary interfering with it.
ac1976
Member
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:59 am

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:18 pm

ac1976 wrote:Why would the regenerate Dame St? It's probably the most lively street the city has!
They will only make a mess of what has naturally become our real main street if the stary interfering with it.


Because it's literally packed with historical buildings of national, even international, importance that you barely notice because of its tiny broken up pavements and ridiculous amounts of traffic - as well as a lot of the shopfronts and facades being uncared for. The whole street smells of neglect.
rumpelstiltskin
Member
 
Posts: 234
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:51 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby ac1976 » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:20 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:Because it's literally packed with historical buildings of national, even international, importance that you barely notice because of its tiny broken up pavements and ridiculous amounts of traffic - as well as a lot of the shopfronts and facades being uncared for. The whole street smells of neglect.


I actually think thats all part of the charm and character of the street which makes it unique. But it certainly could benefit from some improvements as long as the character is not destroyed as they (DCC) did with the entrance to Dublin Castle, they should be ashamed of that mess.
Dame street always reminded me of typical Manhattan streets with the intresting collection of shop fronts and heavy traffic, it would be a shame to steralise these natural features from the street.
ac1976
Member
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:59 am

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby gunter » Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:36 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:I mean if you think about it, Dame Street . . . . . it could rival the Royal Mile in Edinburgh for grandeur. That's a depressing thought.


rumpelstiltskin wrote:I wasn't being harsh on the Royal Mile. I love it. I'm saying that Dublin city council could learn a lot from it when regenerating Dame Street.


Sorry rumpel, I was detecting irony where there wasn't any.

Archiseek will do that to you!
gunter
Old Master
 
Posts: 1925
Joined: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby GrahamH » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:55 pm

The litany of disasters that are the bus gate 'improvement' works at College Green continue as ever.

The latest ravishing addition of an industrial-girth galvanised steel pole right next to John Henry Foley's exquiste representation of Henry Grattan flanked by those iconic seahorse lamp standards. My, how municipal pride in the public realm has simply collapsed in just a century.

Image

And don't ya just love the flourishes of tarmac. It's these little touches that make all the difference eh? :rolleyes:

And of course the pole lends an additional column to proceedings at the Bank of Ireland. Pearse must be rolling in his grave.

Image


And as for these yokes.

Image

I thought I'd leave all the other (many, many) scenic delights for a decent camera.
GrahamH
Old Master
 
Posts: 4591
Joined: Tue Oct 15, 2002 11:24 am
Location: Ireland

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:59 pm

If anyone ever wants and argument they could look at SOL, Madrid it used to be god knows how many lanes

would it be an offence to cut the trees down? all at the same time and make them fall on the road just before morning peak hour?

That might raise awareness...
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:24 am

That's a good idea. Anybody interested in some guerrilla gardening in College Green?
rumpelstiltskin
Member
 
Posts: 234
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:51 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Thu Jul 09, 2009 6:43 am

we just need to eat bento box's before we go...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonkraft/2338797423/sizes/l/
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby urbanisto » Thu Jul 09, 2009 8:21 am

There's a few of those poles around. Probably for very helpful signage.

The whole bus gate project is a disgrace. A real example of Roads Engineers in full flight and not an urban designer in site. You would have to wonder why we pay for a City Architect (and department)
urbanisto
Old Master
 
Posts: 2497
Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2001 12:00 am
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Thu Jul 09, 2009 10:31 am

before before

Image

before

Image

now (except the glass madness?)

Image

not the best but better...
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby Devin » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:58 pm

There's some some unfortunate roof plant boxes and other clutter on the crescent buildings in Puerto del Sol.
They should really try to restore roof sillhouettes in that job, given Sol's prominence.


The College Green job is horrific. The Herald reported on it on Monday:
http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/calls-to-halt-digging-up-of-antique-granite-pavements-1807781.html
Devin
Old Master
 
Posts: 1509
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:27 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby rumpelstiltskin » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:27 pm

I know it's only pavement, but in all honestly the members of Dublin City Council should be brutally tortured to death one by one. I call on all civic-minded psychopaths to start the ball rolling.
rumpelstiltskin
Member
 
Posts: 234
Joined: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:51 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby DjangoD » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:36 pm

"A spokesperson for Dublin City Council said that they would not cease works and they are not reviewing the situation at the moment."


Good old City Council. Heads in the sand.

'Sure why not just review the whole situation after we've finished making a total disgrace of the area, eh?'
DjangoD
Member
 
Posts: 41
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:34 pm
Location: Dubberlin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby tommyt » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:24 pm

rumpelstiltskin wrote:I know it's only pavement, but in all honestly the members of Dublin City Council should be brutally tortured to death one by one. I call on all civic-minded psychopaths to start the ball rolling.



a public stoning perhaps:confused:
tommyt
Member
 
Posts: 455
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 7:39 pm
Location: D5

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:22 pm

Drivers warned over College Green
In the long term this might actually decrease pedestrian traffic because before people would hope off early and walk?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0720/breaking47.htm
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby fergalr » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:25 am

missarchi wrote:Drivers warned over College Green
In the long term this might actually decrease pedestrian traffic because before people would hope off early and walk?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0720/breaking47.htm


Well the air is unbreathable enough now with the current level of bus exhausts. I await the re-routing of more buses through CG.
fergalr
Senior Member
 
Posts: 513
Joined: Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:33 pm
Location: Howth, Co. Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:42 am

fergalr wrote:Well the air is unbreathable enough now with the current level of bus exhausts. I await the re-routing of more buses through CG.


The Department of Health don't seem to bothered either do the EPA...
I remember there was a black slick slurry lurking around around until they resurfaced the area.
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby Devin » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:23 pm

Image

What about this? The city council's Roads Maintenance Division have just laid those studded pavement tiles here in the middle of Temple Bar to help the visually impaired cross the road .... even though this is a PEDESTRIAN AREA where there is NO TRAFFIC.
.. really ...
Devin
Old Master
 
Posts: 1509
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:27 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby DjangoD » Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:02 pm

Devin wrote:Image

What about this? The city council's Roads Maintenance Division have just laid those studded pavement tiles here in the middle of Temple Bar to help the visually impaired cross the road .... even though this is a PEDESTRIAN AREA where there is NO TRAFFIC.
.. really ...


While I agree those studded slabs are ridiculous, that street is actually in use by vehicles at certain times of the day, so I'd say that was their reasoning.
DjangoD
Member
 
Posts: 41
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:34 pm
Location: Dubberlin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby Devin » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:03 pm

Yeah I know, some deliveries movements in the morning. But for perspective there are umpteen crossings in the city with none at all ..



And another thing. The lower end of Temple Lane has been closed off like this (below pic) for weeks while they are relaying cobbles ... in the middle of the peak tourist season.

Instead of costing businesses money and disrupting movement through the streets in peak season, it shoulds be done in the winter. There's all bloody winter to do it. Wasters

Image
Devin
Old Master
 
Posts: 1509
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:27 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby rashers » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:07 pm

Devin wrote:What about this? The city council's Roads Maintenance Division have just laid those studded pavement tiles here in the middle of Temple Bar to help the visually impaired cross the road ...


Seems like they're leading the visually impaired into a pole! :eek:
rashers
Member
 
Posts: 20
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:44 pm
Location: Dublin

Re: college green/ o'connell street plaza and pedestrians

Postby missarchi » Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:33 pm

maybe its under the 100k barrier... so they can get away with it hush hush...
honestly they I don't know what's going on? vandalism...
Everything should have to be approved by the CAD...
missarchi
Old Master
 
Posts: 1796
Joined: Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:53 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Ireland