dave123 wrote:Btw Limerick metropolitician population actually contributes the burgeoning growth of North Cork...
bosco wrote:Wilie O'Dea?
rumpelstiltskin wrote:Apparently one of the reasons the population of Limerick is often underestimated is that there's an entire community of Limerick's most vulnerable living inside his enormous moustache.
mickeydocs wrote:I'm convinced you are on drugs as you exist in a parallel universe. The census is not arbitrary. The growth rates for the 'greater' areas of Limerick that spill into other counties is below 10%. The suburban area of Cork is growing at 12%, only greater Dublin grows faster than this.
Cork is not an area in decline, it is an area with a very quickly changing demographic, moving from city core to a greater metropolitan hub. The greater area is in excess of 300,000, and the radius is never greater than 20 miles. What is the radius for greater Limerick?
dave123 wrote:City and suburbs of both.
Limerick grew faster of the two. in this census, and the census before that. The reason why Limerick didnt grow as fast as county Cork is because Limerick metropolitician agglomeration spreads into three counties.
Nenagh and Ennis had growth rates of nearly 15%. But I'm not arguing your points. I just want to make sure your aware of the facts. And that Limericks population is incredibly undermined. Its even used for such sling shots on these threads. For example most people sprout Galway is bigger than Limerick. When the official boundary divisions are inaccurate and flawed to determine population stats when the boundaries have changed little in 3/4generations.
Limerick city is growing as fast as the other regions. The city of Limerick is going through some great rejuivention right now. Its now taking its place to be one of the most attractive feel good cities in Ireland. Something it was never judged as. Regardless of the census result's both cities have really outdated boundaries and need to be widened asap.
mickeydocs wrote:1. Limerick grew faster of the two. Limerick city is growing as fast as the other regions. - Can you make up your mind please?[.quote]. the city and suburbs have grown faster in the last two census. Cork metropolitian area grew faster than Limerick though.Mallow is only 4km less in distance.. for christ sake.2. Nenagh and Ennis had growth rates of nearly 15% -
[I]So did Mallow and Fermoy, which are nearer to Cork than Nenagh and Ennis to Cork - both are commuter towns but we do not include these towns in greater Cork
3. [I]I have friends in Nenagh that would be annoyed if you claimed their town was a suburb/commuter town of Limerick
Don't twist my words:) I like facts and I do not like people putting words in my mouth. Please do look for where I said this "Nenagh is a suburb of Limerick".You won't find it. Nenagh is a commuter town of Limerick. Not debatable or really worth arguing over.[Same for Dublin and Cork. Cork City Council is currently negotiating a boundary extension with Cork County Council - the negotiations aren't friendly. If the City is successful the revised borough of Cork will have a population in excess of 250,000. This is hotly contested by the County Council as this will affect their funding.
More than half of Limerick city's population is outside of the city. 100,000 is the city actual. The total city by boundaries is 91.000. The city boundary is 52,600. So its nearly half of the city outside it. This is significant. Cork or Dublin dont have the problem of their city spilling into another county. So again you don't have a comparison. The only comparison would be Waterford. But Waterford has only a tiny fraction of the city stretching into Kilkenny. Limerick has at least 6,000.Lol, well your feeling is wrong. There is still much redevelopment going on.Limerick is still very confident in making its city more attractive and more beautiful. There is much more development on the horizon.. The Opera centre is a step closer. The riverfront work is still ongoing. The Bedford row phase 2 is finalising their plans to start their development facing onto O'Connell street. Marks and Spencer is stil expected to get their go ahead anchor unit in the Crecent. Basically the whole of the country is affected by the recession. But Limerick is still very confident. In the last property report it was said limerick should hold well incomparison to other regions in the country. The only problem Limerick is really facing is the planning deregulation and Limerick/Clare county council monopoloy around the city. This has caused alot of suction and bad planning that is now affecting the city as a whole. One should only look at the irregualarity of the high rents in the suburbs vs the city. Cork city doesn't have this problem.[I]I visit Limerick occasionally on business - I get the impression that there is huge trepidation like the rest of the country, but maybe more so due to the huge job losses in Dell and the industries that support this.6. The reason why Limerick didnt grow as fast as county Cork is because Limerick metropolitician agglomeration spreads into three counties. -
[I]What has this got to do with growth rates?
dave123 wrote:mickeydocs wrote:1. Limerick grew faster of the two. It has everything to do with it. Limerick was responsible for creating double digit growth in North Tipp. Limerick metropolitian area expands into towns such as Parteen, Newport, Birdhill, Sixmilebridge,Cratloe, Arnacrusha, Obriens bridge for example none of them are in Limerick county. So this is never noted because people do not realise the city is built on the borders of three counties. Cork doesnt have this geographical problem.
mickeydocs wrote:dave123 wrote:
You are in denial in that you believe Limerick is unique. All of the cities of Ireland have considerable population that spills into other councils.
Counties and councils... Dublin is a city of 1million with the actual county almost built up. Limerick is on the border of three counties. Cork or Galway don't have this problem. So again I'm not in denial of anything. I'm accepting the FACTS.However, I really don't understand why you are so determined in your claims that Limerick is growing faster than Cork when the CSO figures (which include Clare, Tipperary, and other regions - just check the data) show that the greater Cork area is actually growing at a faster rate.
You are in denial in that you believe Limerick is unique. All of the cities of Ireland have considerable population that spills into other councils. All of these areas have experienced double digit growth, and some areas around Dublin it could be claimed have experienced treble digit growth (South Louth as an example).
Forget the medieval county concept, we govern locally according to councils. Councils get their funding based on populations. Most councils are unwilling to have their boundaries reduced if it means losing out on their annual budget. Our demographics have been changing alot faster than our local government structures. Reform is needed at a national level and not just at a local leve. Cork is pushing for this every bit as much as Limerick.
However, I really don't understand why you are so determined in your claims that Limerick is growing faster than Cork when the CSO figures (which include Clare, Tipperary, and other regions - just check the data) show that the greater Cork area is actually growing at a faster rate.
rob mc wrote:Firstly,he never said that limerick didn't spill into other councils he said that it's spilt into other counties which is why Limerick never gets recognised for its true population.
Secondly,neither of you seem to understand the term "perspective". Limerick's population IS growing at a faster rate than cork,but the population of cork is growing more than limerick. For example, lets say Limerick city is growing by 12% per annum and Cork city grows by only 10% per annum, since Cork already has a greater population, 10% of its population is greater than a 12% rise in Limericks. So in a way both of you are actually right.
dave123 wrote:You made the point, clearly you made it. this was all I wanted to clear up with him. Some people from Cork do have an over tendancy to exaggerate about the city....
How it has 300,000:rolleyes: 3/4 quarter of the county, yet its still the greater cork:D
Greater Dublin doesn't take in all of North Dublin....It takes the suburbs that's sprawls intot the borders Kildare, Meath and North Wicklow.
The bullshit is all that annoys me about this rant from Mickydoc's. He's been corrected a few times by a few people on the true figures for the cities. Like Cork having 189,000 in the census. He would state 200.000. Limerick almost 91,000 he would state 90,000. If your gonna post facts, post's the facts and not the bullshit.
green_jesus wrote:How has this anything to do with developments in Cork?
Please take your argument somewhere else.
Pug wrote:well, to be fair, Jim Comic did mention cuh, by which i assume the reference is to the Beacon Private Clinic at Cork University Hospital for which Traynor O' Toole were the architects, theres another thread started for the beacon there jim comic, lash any info in there
Most of the population of County Cork is in the Cork harbour region. This area is approximately a 20 mile radius from the City of Cork. This area does have a population in excess of 300,000.
Both towns and their greater populations will now struggle to remain at their existing populations as emigration will replace immigration.
Several conclusions may be drawn from the above data.
Looking at Table 2.1, the large size of Dublin compared to the other existing gateways is immediately evident. The population of Cork, the second largest city in the Republic, as defined by the CSO (both city council and contiguous urban areas) is 19% of the corresponding population for Dublin, highlighting a wide gap in the population
ranking of Irelandâ€™s two largest cities.
The other three gateways of Limerick, Galway and Waterford are also considerably smaller than Dublin, but also in a lower size-band to Cork. Cork, in fact, is equal in population to the other three gateways combined. These discrepancies in size have fundamental implications for gateway policies in Ireland.
With such differences in size, the competitive strengths are not equal and it is therefore extremely unlikely that individual gateways, apart from Cork, will be able to produce a substantial momentum, complementary to Dublin, on their own.
In Cork, the outward expansion of the cityâ€™s influence can be seen both to the east and the west along the coast, with an extended development zone now stretching from near Youghal on the east, almost reaching Clonakilty on the west. In addition, strong expansion to the north is clear with significant fingers of population growth in that
Indeed, a pattern of continuous development between Cork and Mallow seems to be emerging. The Cork gateway is therefore extending both towards Limerick (via the Mallow hub) and to East Cork towards Waterford
Limerick, Ennis and Shannon display considerable outward growth as a single population zone, with the most intensive increases north of Limerick City into County Clare. Fingers of population growth also extend south to Limerick county and north of Limerick around Lough Derg. Ennis is evident as a point of strong growth, with considerable spillovers into west Clare and also north towards the Galway county boundary