Luas BXD

[missarchi]

Project Overview Luas Line BX

Luas Line BX is the proposed cross city Luas Line that will provide a link between the Red and Green Lines and importantly, will allow an onward extension to Broombridge via Grangegorman and Broadstone.

The line will serve major shopping and business districts and institutions of national and international importance in Dublin City centre. Onward extension will serve the major Dublin Institute of Technology development plans for Grangegorman and allow interchange with Maynooth rail line services at Broombridge. Stops on Luas Line BX are proposed at St. Stephen’s Green, Dawson Street, Westmoreland Street, O’Connell Street, Cathal Brugha Street, Marlborough Street, and on College Street.

The line will incorporate a new bridge over the river Liffey east of O’Connell Bridge linking Marlborough Street and Hawkins Street and opening a range of possibilities for the movement and routing of public transport vehicles. This new bridge is being developed and procured by Dublin City Council.

The line will be an extension northward from St. Stephen’s Green of the highly popular Luas Green Line.

http://www.rpa.ie/Documents/Luas%20Line%20BX/BX%20Documents/BXD%20Scoping%20Report%20231208/EIS%20Scoping%20doc%20Irish%20Times_270x136_1208.pdf

RPA would welcome any observations in relation to the Luas Line BXD EIA and in particular
the Draft EIS Scoping Report by February 2nd 2009. Observations can be submitted to:

http://www.rpa.ie/Documents/Luas%20Line%20BX/BX%20Documents/BXD%20Scoping%20Report%20231208/Luas%20Line%20BXD%20Draft%20Scoping%20Report%20Dec%202008.pdf

A 750V DC overhead traction power supply:D
Annual Conference 2008: Bordeaux Guide totally above ground?

[missarchi]

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/NC0005.htm

[cgcsb]

that's great but I think the money would be better spent on the metro and interconnector.

[missarchi]

that's great but I think the money would be better spent on the metro and interconnector.

I agree but it will be interesting if they design the spaces and then try and plan things.
reference points ect.

[cgcsb]

Bridge to go ahead:

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/new-bridge-to-open-up-city-centre-1699894.html

I would prefere if the new bridge had a was a respectful mimic of O'Connell Bridge, I can't help but fear how a modern design would detract from O'Connell Bridges old fashioned appeal. Especially as the two bridges will be only a few feet apart

[missarchi]

I think they did one of those old new bridges in galway...

This bridge makes no sense... as does running bxd down there...
but maybe its all because of the so called tara plan...
tara station should be moved...
A bailey bridge fine but anything wider than 2.4 metres is crazy...

[missarchi]

http://www.rpa.ie/Maps/Luas%20Line%20BX/Line%20BXD%20Map%200409.pdf

http://www.rpa.ie/Documents/Luas%20Line%20BX/BX%20Documents/BXD%20Final%20Draft%20Scoping%20Report%20210409/BXD%20Final%20Draft%20EIS%20Scoping%20Report%20210409.pdf

all these telcos stakeholders theres loads... who owns all the cables?

some of this stuff is amusing you cannot even call these guys

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[cgcsb]

whta are you harping on about?

[missarchi]

There is like 9 different telco's!
All I did was look at one I had never heard of and that's what turned up...
I have never even heard of half of them...

All i'm saying is there must be some very important cables around...

[cgcsb]

You should probably start your posts with an introduction of some kind before you ramble. What's a telco? and what cabels? what does your ramblings have to do with this thread or BXD?

[rumpelstiltskin]

As far as I can see, he thinks that the cables on the luas lines are used by either telephone companies or intelligence companies to conduct surveillance on people.

[pippin101]

He's talking about the utilities that will need to be moved to make way for Luas BXD.

[missarchi]

Does anyone remember Eyre Square most of the money was spent on organizing the utilities
thats why it took so long.

Are there underground trenches in the footpaths?

We will have to what and see...

[cgcsb]

He's talking about the utilities that will need to be moved to make way for Luas BXD.

And why can't he just say that then?:rolleyes:

[corkblow-in]

is missarchi a he!!

[spoil_sport]

miss - archi ... the penny drops (as with everything else (s)he posts, took me a while to figure out)

[wearnicehats]

Does anyone remember Eyre Square most of the money was spent on organizing the utilities
thats why it took so long.

Are there underground trenches in the footpaths?

We will have to what and see...

the underground in Budapest is a great example of forward thinking. It is just under the road and between the top of the tunnel and the road they laid all the utilities in the road median under removable gratings. This isn't possible everywhere in the city but it does mean that large tracts of cables / utilities etc are easily accessible without causing general chaos to road users and pedestrians. It also means that they can be accessed without waiting for some lazy hairy arsed Sierra employee to take a week to dig a hole and then patch it up in a crap fashion. I know that Budapest has the advantage of long straight wide eastern european boulevardes but there is a principle in there that could be looked at. Of course, Budapest probably didn't have to worry about Siptu....

[marmajam]

Foreigners. What do they know?

[missarchi]

Foreigners. What do they know?

cables follow trains! and parks some nice trenches might be good in the long term...
I missed that...

[cgcsb]

Foreigners. What do they know?

How to build a metro system apparently:rolleyes:

[EIA340600]

Originally I thought this whole BX thing was a complete shambles.
By adding a D to the end I think maybe it's not so much of a shambles.
Still kind of a shambles though........

[ac1976]

Looks like this has also been shelved - actually seems more like Transport 21 is on hold.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/new-crosscity-line-to-link-luas-is-derailed-until-2018-at-earliest-2173955.html

New cross-city line to link Luas is derailed until 2018 at earliest
By Paul Melia
Monday May 10 2010

A second high-profile rail project has fallen victim to the recession -- this time with a delay of at least six years.

The link-up between the Red and Green Luas lines in Dublin won't be finished before 2018 -- 13 years after it was first announced in the Government's Transport 21 programme.

The line was due to be finished in 2012 according to the original plans. The delay means the 5.6km line will also cost more than budgeted.

Internal documents on the project say construction is expected to begin in 2014, but this depends on planning permission being received by the end of this year. This is highly unlikely given that an application for a Railway Order has yet to be made.

The delay comes less than a week after Transport Minister Noel Dempsey was forced to admit he only became aware of a three-year delay to the €3bn DART Underground project from the media. A "breakdown in communications" meant Iarnrod Eireann, which is developing the line, did not inform the minister that the project was being pushed back from 2015 to 2018.

A spokesman for Mr Dempsey last night said the cross-city Luas line would not be built until a separate project -- Metro North -- was completed. This was because if construction works for both lines happened at the same time, it would bring the city to a standstill.

Suffer

Metro North is not expected to be finished until at least 2015, meaning Luas line BXD could be further delayed.

However, the business case made in the project's internal documents warns that the entire Luas network will suffer if the project does not go ahead.

"If Line BXD were postponed, the result would be a disconnected terminus in the city centre.

"Rather than a tram network, the city would be left with a series of spurs and branches off the Red and Green lines," it warned.

"It would be a fundamental error with significant consequences for the strategic vision of the city's public transport."

It also says that even with the "most pessimistic of economic outlooks", with no growth for decades, it still makes financial sense to build the line.

[PVC King]

MADRID Amey PLC and Bechtel Group Inc. have agreed to sell Tube Lines Ltd. for GBP310.2 million, Amey parent Grupo Ferrovial SA (FER.MC) said late Friday.

In a Spanish regulatory filing, Ferrovial said TLL, which is tasked with the maintenance of three London Underground lines, will be purchased by the U.K. state-owned Transport for London.

Company website: http://www.ferrovial.es

Metro North will go ; then it will be dead as it was predicted on a PPP model that did for Argentina in 2001 and Greece in 2010.

If Luas completed to Abbey Street at least they could terminus the trams at the point Depot whilst they work out how much further North it goes. No better symbol for 2016 than a Luas going down O'Connell Street from College Green; symbol of progress and all that.

[missarchi]

I wouldn't say shelved...

All these projects are linked.
Inter connector is waiting for metro north
BXD is waiting for metro north.

Argentina... ubiquitous architecture/banking they still don't trust the banks there!

[PVC King]

How is the interconnector dependent on Metro North?