Galway inner City opinions?

Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby dave123 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:12 am

rob mc wrote:Galway Independent

GLUAS the proposed light rail system for galway will go ahead despite the recession. The GLUAS working group have said that the project was designed with the recession in mind.Cllr O'Brolchain will be meeting minister dempsey soon to discuss the funding for the project.

Not so sure about this one myself.


I don't get it.

They can't run buses, but they propos a luas


ROFL this country is mad I tell you.. A city of 70,000 can manage very well on intergrated bus network.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:56 pm

dave123 wrote:I don't get it.

They can't run buses, but they propos a luas


ROFL this country is mad I tell you.. A city of 70,000 can manage very well on intergrated bus network.


I agree.

Galway is simply far too small to warrant such an investment.

here is what should be done.

1) Vastly increase our investment in the bus service of Galway. The bus service of Galway is truly awful, slow and infrequent. An investment of even a fraction of what GLUAS would cost would see a massive improvement in the Bus service.

Also control of the bus services needs to be taken out of the hands of Bus Eireann and given over to an equivalent of Dublin Bus and put under administrative control of the City and County Councils. Work practices need to change radically from the current "sure it will be fine" to a system more like DB.

You need to learn to walk before you can run and I fear that silly talk about a LUAS that wouldn't be built for 30 years will distract from changes which urgently should and can be made today.

2) Of course these cities should plan for LUAS at some future time by now deciding the route, protecting the route, put in place planning designations for high density development along the route, etc.

This is what was done in Dublin with some of the LUAS line routes being planned 30 years ago and it is what has been successfully done in Cork along the commuter rail lines.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:36 pm

Does anyone know what happened to the headford road shopping centre?

Wasn't that supposed to have started already?
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby John Lynch » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:21 pm

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Is there any area/structure which you absolutely hate??
Is there area/structure which you feel has been really well designed?

would really appreciate some opinions Thanks :)


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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby John Lynch » Wed Apr 01, 2009 12:23 pm

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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby John Lynch » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:37 pm

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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby John Lynch » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:39 pm

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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Global Citizen » Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:17 am

The proposed light rail service for Galway City never stood a chance for the following reasons.

1 - It's not in Dublin
2 - I doesn't have white lines and other road markings on it.
3 - Public servants don't do public transport.
4 - The opposition might get the credit for it.
5 - It's still not in Dublin.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby cgcsb » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:43 pm

6-Galway doeasn't have nearly a large enough population to justify such a big investment
7-Blanchardstown (which is a bigger city) should get a light rail service first.
8-An improved bus service and construction of QBC's is more cost effective and would provide similar benefits.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:46 pm

9. This country as no money
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Global Citizen » Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:38 am

Blanchardstown is not a city.
It is a poorly planned tumor on the outskirts of Dublin and is a perfect example of the shortsighted housing blitz that has this country the way it is now. The place typifies an example of what might have been, if things were done right in the first place.

Galway has always been a city and has grown out of all proportion to anywhere else over the last 30 years.
So now Galway has tumors like Blanchardstown of its own.

Both places deserve (and need) decent public transport solutions.
Buses are only part of the answer.

rob mc said "this country has no money"

So why the fuck weren't such transport projects undertaken when we had the money?

Maybe Blanchardstown and Knocknacara would be better places to live today.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby cgcsb » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:59 pm

Blanchardstown might not have City Status, but you can't deny that it is larger by population and population density than Galway. Galway is already getting it's own Commuter Rail and intercity connections. More than Blanchardstown has. It functions as a city in terms of services to the area and as a centre of population. You can't compare a Galway suburb to Blanchardstown due it's size. Blanch also has 'tumours' of it's own, Mulhuddart, Ongar and Clonsilla. Although the resident's would take issue with you refering to their hometowns as 'Tumours'. Blanchardstown is only the third largest suburban town in Dublin keep in mind
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:55 pm

Global Citizen wrote:Blanchardstown is not a city.
It is a poorly planned tumor on the outskirts of Dublin and is a perfect example of the shortsighted housing blitz that has this country the way it is now. The place typifies an example of what might have been, if things were done right in the first place.

Galway has always been a city and has grown out of all proportion to anywhere else over the last 30 years.
So now Galway has tumors like Blanchardstown of its own.

Both places deserve (and need) decent public transport solutions.
Buses are only part of the answer.

rob mc said "this country has no money"

So why the fuck weren't such transport projects undertaken when we had the money?

Maybe Blanchardstown and Knocknacara would be better places to live today.



Projects like this were not undertaken because they are ridiculous, the last thing Galway needs is a light rail system. Galway city is too small to warrant such an investment.

All this city needs is a decent bus network, which has been said countless times.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Contraband » Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:05 pm

How is Galway getting commuter rail before Limerick City?
1) Limerick is quite a bit larger than Galway.
2) Its also a city that suffers from a sprawling population and sprawling shopping centres outside of the city. A 'L-LUAS' or whatever would be able to bring people to and from the city centre to the many sprawling suburbs and shopping centres.
GLUAS makes no sense.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:57 am

Contraband wrote:How is Galway getting commuter rail before Limerick City?
1) Limerick is quite a bit larger than Galway.
2) Its also a city that suffers from a sprawling population and sprawling shopping centres outside of the city. A 'L-LUAS' or whatever would be able to bring people to and from the city centre to the many sprawling suburbs and shopping centres.
GLUAS makes no sense.


The only reason they are thinking of it is because traffic problems in Galway are getting as bad as Dublin and they want an easy way out instead of actualy fixing the problem.

And in fairness Limerick and Galway are pretty much the same size.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Contraband » Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:41 pm

rob mc wrote:The only reason they are thinking of it is because traffic problems in Galway are getting as bad as Dublin and they want an easy way out instead of actualy fixing the problem.

And in fairness Limerick and Galway are pretty much the same size.


The population within the cities are more or less the same - 90,000 each I think. However, most of Limerick's true population lies outside the city, it has a fairly large sprawling 'metropolitan area' which, if included, would bump Limerick far above Galway.
Also, Limerick was described as 'one of the worst planned cities in Europe' by an article (which is on this site) so a 'L-LUAS' of sorts would probably help that planning issue.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby cgcsb » Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:20 pm

There are 72,414 people in Galway City and Suburbs. 90,000 in Limerick. Which in Dublin terms isn't a big difference. A light rail system might be good for Galway if there was one line that went from Knocknacarra and Salthill (Galway's biggest Suburbs I believe) through the Claddah (the most Dense population centre in Galway) to Ceannt Station and out to the city airport. Connecting the biggest suburbs to the airport and the railway station. And the bus network could be changed to feed into the line

Although the 4 planned lines are excessive considering there's only 2 in Dublin.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:19 pm

Contraband wrote:The population within the cities are more or less the same - 90,000 each I think. However, most of Limerick's true population lies outside the city, it has a fairly large sprawling 'metropolitan area' which, if included, would bump Limerick far above Galway.
Also, Limerick was described as 'one of the worst planned cities in Europe' by an article (which is on this site) so a 'L-LUAS' of sorts would probably help that planning issue.


But you have to understand like cgcsb said, the larger population or size that limerick has over Galway is negilible in Dublin terms. Neither city warrants a light rail system.

And i'm pretty sure all Irish cities are used to show foreign city planners what NOT to do,lol.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby Global Citizen » Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:16 pm

Contraband wrote:How is Galway getting commuter rail before Limerick City?


Because Galway people got off their backsides and lobbied for it.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:01 pm

The oil tanks are nearly gone,WOOT!!!!!:D:D
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby dave123 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:05 pm

cgcsb wrote:There are 72,414 people in Galway City and Suburbs. 90,000 in Limerick. Which in Dublin terms isn't a big difference. A light rail system might be good for Galway if there was one line that went from Knocknacarra and Salthill (Galway's biggest Suburbs I believe) through the Claddah (the most Dense population centre in Galway) to Ceannt Station and out to the city airport. Connecting the biggest suburbs to the airport and the railway station. And the bus network could be changed to feed into the line

Although the 4 planned lines are excessive considering there's only 2 in Dublin.


if your going to quote statistics for one city, quote the same with respect to the other.
Limerick is 90,778. The area of this figure still covers smaller land area than the Galway area.

There is a by far a bigger difference, and your undermining that. Not only that. Limerick is by far a larger economic powerhouse than that of Galway.

There is still a difference, and it would seem small because your from Galway:rolleyes: Galway is only BLEEEDING MASSIVE.:D
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby dave123 » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:07 pm

Global Citizen wrote:Because Galway people got off their backsides and lobbied for it.



Galway would be far better off upgrading its bus network first rather than going the star trek route on things.

Talk about horse before the cart.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby rob mc » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:15 pm

dave123 wrote:if your going to quote statistics for one city, quote the same with respect to the other.
Limerick is 90,778. The area of this figure still covers smaller land area than the Galway area.

There is a by far a bigger difference, and your undermining that. Not only that. Limerick is by far a larger economic powerhouse than that of Galway.

There is still a difference, and it would seem small because your from Galway:rolleyes: Galway is only BLEEEDING MASSIVE.:D


Hes comparing it to Dublin.

Population of Urban Dublin = 1 million

Population difference between Galway and Limerick = 20,000

The difference is negilible in Dublin terms!I agree that Limerick is bigger and economically stronger but it still doesn't need a LUAS, which was the original point.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby cgcsb » Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:33 pm

when the luas was origionally planned, it was thought that there was no point in building a stop in Drimnagh as only 8,000 people lived within walking distance.

If 8,000 people can bearly justify a stop on a luas line, how exactly can a city with 75,00 people justify a light rail system with four lines and a whopping 64 stops!!! assuming that the pop. of Drimnagh is enough to sustain one such stop, then Galway would need at least 512,000 people living within 10 mins walk of a stop to justify 64 stops and 4 lines and that's bearly enough. Drimnagh is either the least used or second least used stop.

I am however in full support of building QBC's(proper ones) in Galway (which deliver most of the benefits of light rail), Commuter rail and a night link service.
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Re: Galway inner City opinions?

Postby BTH » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:37 pm

dave123 wrote:if your going to quote statistics for one city, quote the same with respect to the other.
Limerick is 90,778. The area of this figure still covers smaller land area than the Galway area.

There is a by far a bigger difference, and your undermining that. Not only that. Limerick is by far a larger economic powerhouse than that of Galway.

There is still a difference, and it would seem small because your from Galway:rolleyes: Galway is only BLEEEDING MASSIVE.:D


Dave123s complete obsession with size continues... :rolleyes:

Galway is still officially the 3rd biggest city in the state. Unless Limerick County, Clare County and Limerick City can catch themselves on and properly redraw the city boundaries that will remain the case. it doesnt look like happening any time soon!

And anyway, does it really matter that much? ;)
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