Carlton Cinema Development

Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby jdivision » Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:19 pm

StephenC wrote:Such a huge and important site....its amazing that DCC havent drawn up some guidelines for its development, or made an Action Area Plan or prepared an urban design framework and asked for some public feedback on wwhat should go here. Disgraceful!


I think you need to read some of the background to what's happened on the site. DCC management's entire actions here have been disgraceful.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby cgcsb » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:08 pm

how's this getting on? I visited Victoria Square in Belfast recently. It's amazing. Hope this will do something similar for Dublin
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby Devin » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:00 pm

Oral hearing announced for the Carlton. No date set.

There should be one thread for the Carlton really. There's 10 pages solid of Carlton discussion on the O'Connell Street thread from pages 120 to 129, then a few more bits after that. Should be all cut in here really. Administrator, if you have a chance ......
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby markpb » Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:40 am

If the oral hearing is still ahead of us, what's going on behind the hoarding at Parnell Mooneys or the RDH?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby cgcsb » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:37 pm

they've taken the windows out of the royal Dublin. and there is some kind of crane like aparatus at the back of the site. There's scafolding up all over the site. Perhaps it's being demolished in advance of planning permission for the new building. There would be no point in refurbishing the hotel at this stage in the day
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby GrahamH » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:49 pm

I got the impression it's the exact opposite. It looks like the brickwork is being cleaned and the windows being replaced in a Burlington-like temporary makeover. Hard to tell. The fact that all the furnishings were auctioned off a few weeks ago would perhaps suggest otherwise...

The townhouse at No. 42 is undergoing remedial stabilisation works to the interior. As part of the project, a proposal to clean the front and rear facades was declared non-exempt by DCC, i.e. requiring planning permission. Presumably an application is about to be submitted, ensuring the scaffold is used to best advantage.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby cgcsb » Fri Mar 13, 2009 7:06 pm

well all the furniature is gone as well as some of the internal walls. I thought maybe they were renovating too but what would be the point of that if it was to be domolished within the next year or two.

What's the current status of the Dublin Central plan anyway? When can we expect a planning decision? I assume An Taisce have objected considering it's a developement that can be seen from somewhere and will generate employment and revitalize a derelict area. They generally don't approve of such ungodly things.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby notjim » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:40 pm

wasn't there a separate application for the hotel and no.42?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby gunter » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:13 pm

cgcsb wrote:I assume An Taisce have objected considering it's a developement that can be seen from somewhere and will generate employment and revitalize a derelict area. They generally don't approve of such ungodly things.


I imagine they took the time to read the application, examine the several crates of drawings and supporting material submitted and, having done so, submitted criticism of any parts that they believed to be in conflict with stated heritage objectives, or were in conflict with the goal of protecting and enhancing the character of the city centre.

That's just a wild guess.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby StephenC » Sat Mar 14, 2009 12:36 pm

I think there was a seperate application for that site...must check it out.

Agreed about the An Taisce bashing.... you shouldnt knock civic engagement - especially given the times we're in.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby jdivision » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:25 pm

notjim wrote:wasn't there a separate application for the hotel and no.42?


There was and it was granted permission
http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2008/jul/06/green-light-for-joe-oreillys-oconnell-street-proje/
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby notjim » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:17 pm

When I walked down OCS last night there was feverish work on the Carlton, almost like it was intended to reopen it as an amusements or some such. Anyone know about this?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby Alek Smart » Wed Mar 18, 2009 2:15 am

Re: Carlton Cinema Development
When I walked down OCS last night there was feverish work on the Carlton, almost like it was intended to reopen it as an amusements or some such. Anyone know about this?


Crikey notjim,I`m not surprised it was feverish...I would imagine the philistines needed to finish their work and get back across the State Line before certain contributors to this forum could get them.

There are NO words in the English language which can adequately describe what has become of the Carlton..... :eek:

Is there a mechanism in the Constitution whereby City Managers can be repeatedly dunked in the River Liffey in order to decide for once and for all if they are actually Witches or Warlocks ?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby fergalr » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:04 am

It looks like it's going to reopen as a 4d cinema.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby igy » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:12 pm

It seems to have opened. I await with bated breath the photos someone has no doubt taken of their hideous signage :)
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby GrahamH » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:50 pm

It's not worthy of a photograph. Such a breathtaking breaching of planning codes as to leave one, if hardly surprised, then nonetheless dumbfounded. Has this unofficial approval as it's part of the Carlton development?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby Alek Smart » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:45 am

This really is Las Vegas style stuff... :confused:

I must assume that some form of punishment,either in this life or the next will befall those responsible....It makes Dr Quirkeys look like an example of restrained decency......

It must have taken a Brown Envelope the size of Mayo to slip this travesty through the extensive and exhaustive Planning Processes which DCC preside over...

IAP my ass ! :)
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby markpb » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:08 am

Alek Smart wrote:I must assume that some form of punishment,either in this life or the next will befall those responsible....It makes Dr Quirkeys look like an example of restrained decency......


Sums it up perfectly. I tried to take a photo but something terrible happened the lens on my camera ;-)
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby hutton » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:55 pm

I couldn't believe when I saw this today - and Dick Quirke has erected a massive banner hoarding advertising his Dr Quirkey's, which of itself contains tolerating a non-compliant gambling outfit to advertise on an unauthorised structure on the capital's finest street - you just couln't make this stuff up :mad:
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby igy » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:19 pm

Tried to photograph this from a bus earlier but another bus obscured my view. It's truly hideous. At least the fake Dr Quirkey's façade looked like it might belong there...
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby notjim » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:41 pm

But has anyone been inside? I know, I know, its a terrible thing and no one should support it, I absolutely agree, but, if you do go in to this 4d cinema, what does that mean, can you see any of the original Carlton decor.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby BTH » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:53 pm

What have they actually done to the Carlton!? All this outrage! I can't imagine what they could have done that's worse than what was there..!
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby archipig » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:52 pm

Can someone post a pic? All this suspense is bad for my health. I remember two(?) years ago Burger King slapped to a huge banner on their O Connell St branch (GPO side). It covered the entire facade. Looked shite, I presume the planners made them remove it asap.
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby GrahamH » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:58 pm

Risk cracking your own lens, archipig!

Thus far anyway, the boxy canopy (similar to the Savoy's) has been pasted over in expansive poster-like signage, akin to a billboard for a video game, the entire length of the facade. There's other works going on to the ground floor frontage which can only but reinforce the disastrous nature of it all.

I didn't think the Carlton had a usable interior left...?
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Re: Carlton Cinema Development

Postby igy » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:36 am

GrahamH wrote:I didn't think the Carlton had a usable interior left...?


This was also my recollection, having been in Dr Quirkey's large ground floor pool area a number of years back, which my sense of direction told me was a few metres behind the façade of the Carlton. I think it was recenty enough kitted out as a casino or something, and now it's this '4D' theatre.
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